Gangbangers?

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Anyone have a link to the recent FBI report on LEOs assaulted and injured / killed? IIRC in it a majority of those criminals interviewed claimed to have practiced, some at "real" shooting ranges, others in rural areas, dumps, gravel pits, etc, and some in urban areas where gunfire would not be reported. I have seen confiscated weapons range from Colt handguns to RG revolvers, and from sawed off single shot .410s to nice 870s.

My luck, I'd get the guy who practiced and had a nice 1911 instead of the guy with the starter pistol wrapped in duct tape.
 
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck.

This is not so..we have so many sayings that either rhyme or just sound good when spoken or written. just b/c it has a ring to it does not make it true. Seems that you are just uncomfortable with what you know nothing about. Baggy clothes and slang dont make a gangster any more than tight jeans and confederate flag lisence plate/bumper sticker and southern drawl make a racist. In the real world Ive come to discover that dress is just dress. I lierally know lawyers, engineers, fortune 500 managemnent that when not working dress in oversized jeans, sports jersey, bump loud music in the cars ect..nothing to to with gang life at all. I also work with alot of confederate flag wearing, never been out of thier town unless work related country folk who are great people. dress is just dress.
 
Unfortunately we don't have the luxury of knowing and identifying which are the "real" gang-bangers and which ones are the wanna-be's. All these kids dress the same now-a-days!

As far as i'm concerned, if you want to act like a thug and appear/dress like a thug, expect to get treated as one !! :mad:
Demeanor means a lot to me regarding my own personal situational awareness and safety around these thugs.

I bet the same people commenting above saying not to generalize on peoples' appearance and clothing style take special precaution around biker-types or take notice of certain ethnic/religious groups when boarding an aircraft. Situational awareness means readily identifying whom or what may pose an immediate threat. If you're too sensitive or politically-correct to properly use SI, then there's no hope for you.


mom & dad - don't let your kids outta the house looking like a gangsta thug no matter how cool they think it is!
 
I bet the same people commenting above saying not to generalize on peoples' appearance and clothing style take special precaution around biker-types or take notice of certain ethnic/religious groups when boarding an aircraft.

I take notice of everyone..and just like you said
Demeanor means a lot to me regarding my own personal situational awareness
Demeanor and dress are not the same, I dont think I need to go into detail about that. But if I see someone who is acting in a way I feel is threatning, then my guard is up..but just b/c of your ethnicty, dress style or if you like to ride a motorcycle ? Situational awareness and blindly lumping peolpe in groups are not the same..there is nothing proper about that
 
I'm going to respectfully disagree.

Granted EVERYONE gets a chance to prove themselves to me, once. I'm sure there are a lot of folks out there who are bagging, getting their swerve on and talking smack with their buddies, and thumping loud music that rattles widonws 2 blocks away, who are ok folks on the inside. But the 'duck' rule rings valid 99% of the time.

If you emulate a dress/lifestyle, be it hiphop/gansta or white arayan with red boot laces, you are telling me that is how you want to be percieved.

I am NOT saying everyone should be in khaki's and a polo..by ANY means...i wear a kilt most of the time...BUT in the world of situational awareness, my bell gets rung from a distance by dress and mannerism. Prejudice, you might ask? In a sense it is..to pre judge..to make a determination based on visual cues alone.

And yes, current gangs are often full of guys with MOUT experience. Not everyone in the military is a stand up, patriotic, flag waving Beaver Cleaver.

I try to assume that everyone has as much or more training than I...that way I can justify more training road trips to the spousal unit!
 
If someone wants respect and to not be treated as a hoodlum, they should not dresss like a thug, rapper, or gangbanger. I do not care who they may work for the majority of criminals on the streets dress like this and ALL who dress like this will be looked down upon. That is just the way it is.
 
If I live in an area where everyone dresses this way..does that mean I should spend my entire life in high alert. probably not, but If I did live in an area like that, Id probably know that dress is not a cause for alarm. Onthe other hand just b/c you think the walk like a duck thing is accurate 99% of the time doesnt mean your right...I'd be willing to bet that aside from "pre-judging" these individuals, you dont do any type of follow up to see if in fact they were "ducks" again..its something that you feel good saying. But its still not true.
the majority of criminals on the streets dress like this
Does that imply that the majority of people that dress like this are criminals..all KKK members are christian to my knowledge..are all christians are KKK members ? Its silly..really.
 
crow61
Do you all think that the gangbangers and other criminals practice and or train with their guns?

You would think that these are folks who cannot legally own a gun, so where do the shoot?

Do they clean their guns?

Anybody else ever thought about this?

first off, they 'practice' shooting AT folks. Much more realistic than punching paper. Clean or dirty, guns will fire
note that gang shooters are not mindful of what is behind their target, they don't give a rat's behind about the legality, and they are not concerned with civil suits down the road.
Gangs work with terror and disparity of force, AND, probably the most important aspect so far as we are concerned, THEY determine the timing of the attack.
The attacker is ALWAYS at an advantage in a gun fight.

Don't dismiss 'gang bangers' as ineffective clowns. That will get you killed if you ever have the misfortune to run into one.
 
Don't get me wrong. I am generally a VERY open fellow and have no harbored ill will toward anyone on what I would call a 'racial or religious bias'. But I HAVE lived on the 'wrong side of the tracks' where a certain color of clothing will get you beat down or shot...regardless of whether or not you are playing the game.

It is a real combination of action and perception that sends up a flag. That does not mean the tidy, middle aged 'buffy and tad' flavored golf goof is NOT gonna try to take my car by force...but you cannot ignore the reality of crime and the general appearance of those who commit the crimes.
 
The link LanceOregon provided, a synopsis of a more detailed FBI report from a few years ago, is worth a read. It is current enough, and relevent enough.

It is all relevant, but some exerpts for those who won't take the time:

Familiarity:
Several of the offenders began regularly to carry weapons when they were 9 to 12 years old, although the average age was 17 when they first started packing "most of the time." Gang members especially started young.

Nearly 40% of the offenders had some type of formal firearms training, primarily from the military. More than 80% "regularly practiced with handguns, averaging 23 practice sessions a year," the study reports, usually in informal settings like trash dumps, rural woods, back yards and "street corners in known drug-trafficking areas."

More than 40% of the offenders had been involved in actual shooting confrontations before they feloniously assaulted an officer. Ten of these "street combat veterans," all from "inner-city, drug-trafficking environments," had taken part in 5 or more "criminal firefight experiences" in their lifetime.

One reported that he was 14 when he was first shot on the street, "about 18 before a cop shot me." Another said getting shot was a pivotal experience "because I made up my mind no one was gonna shoot me again."

Concealment:
The offenders said they most often hid guns on their person in the front waistband, with the groin area and the small of the back nearly tied for second place. None regularly used a holster, and about 40% at least sometimes carried a backup weapon.

Shooting Style:
Twenty-six of the offenders [about 60%], including all of the street combat veterans, "claimed to be instinctive shooters, pointing and firing the weapon without consciously aligning the sights," the study says.

"They practice getting the gun out and using it," Davis explained. "They shoot for effect." Or as one of the offenders put it: "[W]e're not working with no marksmanship... We just putting it in your direction, you know... It don't matter... as long as it's gonna hit you…if it's up at your head or your chest, down at your legs, whatever... Once I squeeze and you fall, then... if I want to execute you, then I could go from there."

Hit Rate:
More often than the officers they attacked, offenders delivered at least some rounds on target in their encounters. Nearly 70% of assailants were successful in that regard with handguns. (Efforts of offenders and officers to get on target were considered successful if any rounds struck, regardless of the number fired.)

Davis speculated that the offenders might have had an advantage because in all but 3 cases they fired first, usually catching the officer by surprise. Indeed, the report points out, "10 of the total victim officers had been wounded [and thus impaired] before they returned gunfire at their attackers."

Just as cops generally blade their body to make their sidearm less accessible, armed criminals "do the same in encounters with LEOs to ensure concealment and easy access."

Mind-set:
Thirty-six of the 50 officers in the study had "experienced hazardous situations where they had the legal authority" to use deadly force "but chose not to shoot." They averaged 4 such prior incidents before the encounters that the researchers investigated. "It appeared clear that none of these officers were willing to use deadly force against an offender if other options were available," the researchers concluded.

The offenders were of a different mind-set entirely. In fact, Davis said the study team "did not realize how cold blooded the younger generation of offender is. They have been exposed to killing after killing, they fully expect to get killed and they don't hesitate to shoot anybody, including a police officer. They can go from riding down the street saying what a beautiful day it is to killing in the next instant."

"Offenders typically displayed no moral or ethical restraints in using firearms," the report states. "In fact, the street combat veterans survived by developing a shoot-first mentality."
 
Making a mental note of different clues is not the same as saying someone who dresses a certain way doesnt deserve to be treated like everyone else based on dress alone which is what the OP'er has implied
It is a real combination of action and perception that sends up a flag.
exactly..and action should hold more weight than just what your perception of a certain dress style, racial or religious group ect...I also grew up on the wrong side of the tracks..You, having lived on those sides of the tracks know it wasnt a majority of people who made it the wrong side of the tracks..you also know that for the most part people on that side of the tracks dressed simularly. So Id think since you have first hand knowledge that appearance wouldnt hold such weight. It doesnt matter if we are talking trailor park, ghetto, latino barrio...people in certain area will dress simularly for different reasons...bubba who works construction will dress the same way as his brother Hoss who is a meth head and steals from his brother bubba to support his habit. Action and demeanor before appearance is all Im saying.
 
HMMM. You pretty much sign away your rights when you join the military. I wonder if they go after these guys for RICO violations, or what???
 
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