I am a mediocre shooter. I shoot my FiL's reloads and cheap random ammo. At 25 yards, with a service pistol, I can put a 50 round box onto a small/regular sized paper plate at 25 yards. That is standing with no support. With something like a 7.5" Blackhawk or a K22 Masterpiece or my Buck Mark I can do noticeably better.
G19 accuracy at 25 yards - just dinner plate accurate? Or is it me?
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BubbaBlades
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Not to beat a dead horse, but Glocks can be very accurate in the right hands.
Shaq showed up at my local indoor range back when he played for the Miami Heat. The only gun that I had with me at the time was a box stock Glock Model 23 (same gun as a 19 except .40 cal).
I asked the rangemaster to give me the shooting position next to Shaq. As a way to introduce myself, I put 4 rounds through the same hole next to my 1" dot target and dropped the last shot 1" low.
The target was 25 yards away and my shooting was two-handed unsupported.
Shaq signed my target and we talked guns and shooting for a while.
PS Shaq is a down-to-earth nice guy.
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SauerGrapes
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Boy, the manure being shoveled in this thread is deep!
Doc Holliday 1950
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Sorry I answered this post before but still say practice,practice, practice.You never did any sport well without practicing is what I'm trying to say.
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random guy
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Well it's not going to shovel itself is it?
Just about any group I'd be willing to show is from at least a sketchy rest, BTW.
I've seen enough great bullseye shooters to not doubt anything but I can't do anything like that offhand, much less one handed.
I was shooting my .44 Desert Eagle from a rest years ago, making a nice group about 2" at 25 yards. The club President, Bob Walden, stops to look at the pistol, adopts a classic bullseye stance and puts a round right in the group with this giant of a gun. Looks like he is still president. Quite a shooter.
Doc Holiday 1950: said:
Last Sat. I had my Gen3 17 & 19 out to the range and I hit the targets just fine shooting 200 rounds of that cheap Fed Champion aluminum case promo ammo. And I'm always reminded that I really just enjoy getting out to the range to shoot. I think that if you enjoy what you're doing and you practice at it, you may not become the next Jerry Miculek but you can certainly improve your shooting!
Walt Sherrill
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Doc Holiday 1950 said:
That's certainly true, but the practice makes perfect only if we are practicing the right things in the right way.
An awful lot of us are self-taught, and we try to do things we've picked up, heard about, or observed here and there. That mish/mash sometimes includes a good bit of stuff we THINK is right, but isn't.. It can be very frustrating.
()Practice is very important, but getting some instruction from a competent instructor -- one who knows how to deal with people (and their egos) as well as guns -- can sometimes be the cheapest way to improve your skills. Finding the right instructor can be a challenge.
When it comes to instruction if I could give one piece of advice it would be this: give everything an honest effort. I have seen a few times now students that are paying decent money to essentially tell instructors why they shoot the way they do. It's far from the majority but there are always those seemingly unwilling to give new input a shot (unintended pun). Try what instructors suggest and more than once. If you give it a fair shake and it doesn't work for you then move on.
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That doesn't surprise me much at all, when you get out past 15 yards the G19 has always been a dog compared to many such as the Sig 226 or an HK USP or newer P30 etc.
Weird. I did a Handgun Marksmanship course a month back. Was mostly at 25 yds. My G19 with its stock trigger was able to hold its own against a number of P series pistols (I was the only Glock out of 8 people, but it was at the SIG Sauer Academy so I guess it stands to reason). Now the gentleman with the German SIG X5 did shoot tighter groups, but we're talking between 2/3 and 3/4 the size of mine. Not an overly dramatic difference, especially given the price difference. Even in owning a dozen SIGs and HKs I found Glocks generally shoot well (FWIW the factory acceptable standard for SIG pistols is 2.5" at 25 yds, which isn't really different than the rest of the industry).
Of course then the instructor with his P239 and the other instructor with his P320 were able to put him, and all of us, to shame. It's almost like it's the shooter that's the biggest factor...
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Walt Sherrill
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When I've seen similar charts (with supporting details) for IDPA championships, there are very few SIGs or H&Ks in the detail list. That looks like an IDPA listing, but may be from a difference source.
You don't see a lot of SIGs and H&Ks in the more popular Production or Stock Service Pistol divisions. Lots of Glocks and S&W M&Ps, and a slowly growing number of CZs. There are a lot of 1911s in some of these venues, but a lot of them are semi-custom guns, so the fall into the "other" category because no single manufacturer is the source.
It is very weird to the point that I just don't understand it.
I bet.
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I didn't know "all" the pros use Glock 19's.
I consider myself a decent shot but I don't shoot competitively. Unlike most that do my focus is usually more on accuracy rather than accuracy and time. Glocks are very popular pistols as they should be but for me, and a couple of my friends, the Glock trigger comes up way short compared to many others. Most of my steel targets are only 5" X 5" so I'm sure that has something to do with my opinion. To be fair I doubt I have more than 4K rounds through Glocks, mostly the 19, compared to 20K through several classic P-series Sigs.
IMightBeWrong
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The guns could shoot better than that in a vice. The thing about a larger 1911 or CZ 75 is that their single action pulls are light and easy and their sights are far apart and small/precise. They make it easy to shoot without disturbing sight picture before breaking the shot. More practice is key with some guns, but dinner plate at 25 is definitely good enough for self defense IMO. In a fight, you won't be taking your time in a perfect stance trying to make hits at that range anyway.