G19 accuracy at 25 yards - just dinner plate accurate? Or is it me?

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cjsoccer3

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But when it comes to the polymer CCW friendly 9mms - specifically XDs, G19s and smaller. I've never (even with ones sporting trigger jobs) been able to carve out the inside of a dinner plate with utter consistency at 25 yards.

Is this a "I need more practice" kind of thing or are polymer guns just something that's not too inherently accurate? With 1911s, Sigs, CZ75s, and other metal framed guns - those sizes are not much an issue.
 
Personally I'd say just need more practice with them, maybe dry fire and go back to trigger control fundamentals? I can hit what would be dinner plate size at 25yds, I really should have glasses, and my GF for sure can hit that, probably even further out if we tried. She's a much better shot than I am though.
 
While the Glock 19 is a decently accurate pistol I don't expect mechanical accuracy to be what full size metal frame pistols are.

Try a Walther PPQ or HK VP9 sometime. :)
 
I'll vote "more practice" also. From you post it sounds like you aren't a novice shooter, and have shot a variety of handguns with better results. The modern polymer frame handguns by major manufacturers are accurate in & of themselves; practical accuracy is on the shooter.

One issue might just be how the Glock fits your hand, though. I find practical accuracy for me varies by how the grip & trigger fit my hand. Example: I want to love the SIG P226, but I struggle to shoot it accurately while the CZ75 almost aims itself for me.
 
Glock's sights are good for rapid target acquisition, but not very good for precision work. The fat front sight covers up a lot of the target as does the fat "ball". The shorter sight radius doesn't help either. That is why large guns are often more accurate. If clamped to a Ransom Rest, I'd bet there is very little mechanical difference in accuracy from a Glock 19 to a 17.
 
There's nothing wrong with the accuracy of the polymer guns. You probably just need to work with them.

I shoot at shorter distances, but regularly tear out the x ring with G19, G26, and my Beretta PX4.
 
In my experience, decent quality guns that will NOT hold 4" or better at 25 yards are more rare than those that will.
 
I can put 15 rounds into a 3x5 note card at 25 yards.

It is you.

Nearly any production level, duty grade handgun is more accurate than any shooter. Very rarely is the firearm itself the limiting factor.

In my case, I am still the limit. The mechanical accuracy of the gun itself is greater than what I can wring out of it.

If you need to double-blind test this, find a shooter that can do great things with Glocks and have them shoot it. If their groups are garbage, you may have a lemon.
 
Shoot closer. That's what most people seem to do. :D

It could be the gun and having other proven shooters fire the gun may tell you this. The ammo can be a big factor too. A bad gun/ammo combo might not be capable of better than 6" groups even if you are perfect. At least try several different loads.

If you are not shooting from a well rested position, do that. A comfortable position where you are not looking through your eyebrows or in a strain. A sandbag under the butt of the pistol is likely the best support for compact pistols.

You probably know how to work the sights which should be your primary focus. I have been perplexed by a few pistols which I expected to shoot better and they usually have three dot or some sort of high visibility sights. While great in low light, I think this distracts me from "best possible" alignment. A friend had me shoot his Glock 20 a while back and it grouped pretty well for me but I can see how their sights might have the same problem if too much light is coming from behind you.

Use a proper target. An NRA 25yd bullseye target is a good guideline for the kind of aiming point you need. A black dot of 5-6" on as large of a light background as you can manage.

Most of this of course is aimed at finding the potential of the gun and may or may not apply to field shooting.
 
Glock 19 accuracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5J63F9d1UQ

I currently shoot nine different model Glocks. All of them will shoot a group less than 2" at 25 yards.

In my above YouTube video, I am using a stock Glock 19 (it came with night sights) to shoot a 1" diameter Shoot'n see dot at a distance of 25 yards. I am shooting with my right hand and filming with the camera in my left hand.

It ain't the arrow it's the Indian.

Mark aka BubbaBlades
 
As several people have noted, accuracy with a G19 can vary depending on the ammunition.

Try various loads to see what it likes. Do your tests from a sandbag rest to try to eliminate errors that you might introduce to inaccuracy.

G19s are not bullseye quality guns, but the average gun will shoot most ammo into 3-6" groups at 25 yards. Some might be better, some might be worse.

I've shot a G19 from a Ransom Rest at 25 yards and average group size is 4" with a variety of ammo. Better ammo shoots around 3", worse ammo around 6", based on 15-shot groups. Better ammo and worse ammo is defined by what the gun likes, and not how much the ammo costs.
 
The gun should be able to do 1.5" at that distance, but that's from a mechanical standpoint. If you're landing everything on a paper plate at that distance, I'd say you're fine. The G19 isn't a bullseye gun and you ain't a ransom rest, so it's you. ;)
 
cjsoccor3 said:
I've never (even with ones sporting trigger jobs) been able to carve out the inside of a dinner plate with utter consistency at 25 yards.
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You either have some very small dinner plates or need to practice a little more.

I have a steel plate rack with 6" diameter plates set up at 25 yards. As long as there is no time limit, after a little instruction and practice most people have no problem running through them without missing using Glock 19 and Glock 26 size pistols.
 
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I was always told the mechanical accuracy standard from the factory was closer to 2.5", but maybe that number is off. Certainly on this forum we have some excellent shooters that are capable of impressive shooting, though I do think some numbers quoted so far might be beyond the standard mechanical accuracy of a stock Glock. Still you should be able to carve that dinner plate fairly easily with practice. You might find different sighting systems help if you want to try those, but practice is the big factor.


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My Gen3 19 gets taken out to the range more often than the others these days, it is CQB accurate with cheap promo ammo out to about 15 yds. which definitely serves the intended purpose of this pistol. To be honest this one wouldn't be my first choice if I want to hit 25 yd targets, the CZ75B and the HK P30 with 124gr. XTP ammo loads are better choices.
 
I feel shooting handguns is straight-up difficult to obtain consistent accuracy.

After some time I tend to loose focus on the fundamentals and every little flaw leads to decreased accuracy.
For me it takes some discipline get the ample amount of practice time in and stay focused. But I have always enjoyed shooting rifles more, being proficient with handguns is an ongoing project.
 
I was working my 19's today just a couple hours ago. From 15-25 yards 30/50 rounds were inside 3" shoot n see targets. The rest were just outside by about 3". Everything outside was my fault, especially hurrying and thumb pressure.

Ammo was WWB 124 NATO. Yes the sights are the limiting factor. I have an RMR on my other glock and that 17 keeps them all in the eyeball on the target to 25 yards. That one isn't even fun cause it takes all the challenge away.

My 17's only stock parts are the frame and the internals on the slide. The 19's are all stock.
 
The Glock 19 is service pistol accurate. All pistols have ammo they prefer. With ammo that the pistol shoots well, most Glock 19s will group under 4" at 25 yards and some markedly better. Try the ammo you are using off a rest to see what kind of groups you get. If you are shooting 5-shot groups sub 4" @ 25 yards from a rest, it is likely you could improve your standing some by reducing shooter error.
 
Interesting test on accuracy from a Glock 17 from mechanical rest with various barrels. Accuracy can vary widely depending on ammo and cheap range ammo usually being the about worst. Glock 19 accuracy could be possibly less due to shorter barrel.
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That is interesting. The factory barrels shot well. About what I would expect from a properly built Glock, plus a little bit of human error in the real world. Some shooters say they can outshoot a Ransom rest but it would be challenging with a standard Glock service pistol.
 
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