Fully Auto SMG for Car

Fully Auto SMG for Car

  • MP5K by H&K

    Votes: 17 85.0%
  • UZI by IMI

    Votes: 3 15.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .
OneShotOnly!:

You obviously have a requirement for extremely compact and controllable firepower that is employable from the driver's seat...

Of your two choices (and for the above purpose), the MP5K is significantly superior to either the full sized or micro-UZI variants.
The HK fires from a closed bolt vs the UZI's open-bolt format (providing better accuracy). The MP5K also has superior sights and better ergonomics.

I've a fair amount of military experience with both.

If you anticipate exiting the vehicle to fight, I would echo previous suggestions to procure a folding/collapsing-stocked 5.56mm or 5.45mm assault rifle (M4, AK-74, SIG, etc.)

Good luck...
 
Chindo18z
I think I agree with you that HK is superior since I have shot both weapons as well, however, little more of HK MP5 than UZI.

My basic need is an SMG to fired from the car, not outside. However, I am curious which SIG arms were you suggesting in 5.56? Thank you.
 
oneshotonly,
The three shot (burst fire) shouldn't be needed. If you can't control the trigger well enough to only fire 2-3 rnds at a time, you need more training. The 3rnd setup was designed for the M16 rifle. It was determined that 3 was the optimum number to give the best chance of hitting a target at battle ranges. Also, they wanted to slow down the use of ammo in a firefight, as the typical soldier would empty the mag with each trigger pull (and not hit anything). However, if you have targets at your car windows, you might want to be able to throw 4-6 rnds/burst. Some of the burstfire trigger sets give a different feel each time you press the trigger, which hampers good control.
Between the two choices, my preference would be the MP-5 in any version. Very controllable, and easy/quick to get competent with. The MP-5K-PDW would be my choice. If you can only find the basic K model, the folding stock is available here. The maker of the stock is Choate Tool Corp. It is marked "HK" when they supply it to the gunmaker, and says "Choate" for the aftermarket. The K is a real handful without a stock. I'm told that to get accurate without a stock, it takes about 6000 rnds of training. The cops that use it call it a "room broom". You can flip the stock open as you pick it up, very quick. The stock locks when it hits the open position. BTW, one version of the stock locks both open and closed. You would not want that for your application as a car gun. You can also put the full stock on the K model, but it is still a little awkward inside a vehicle. You can get a shoulder holster for the K, carries extra mags on the left side, and you keep a short mag for concealment, in the gun.
If you can get the Glock G18, you might want to consider it for a couple reasons. It will fit in a regular holster, so you can comfortably carry it without any undue concealment problems. Once again, you can get a shoulder rig that carries the full size (33rnd) mags on the offside. If it is on you, it will be much quicker into action than a subgun in a rack, or under the seat, etc. If your car is rammed or crashed, you might not be able to get to the subgun, or even find it. The infamous FBI-Miami shootout in '87? illustrates why a gun in a holster is better than loose in the car. (objects in motion, etc..) The latest version of the G18 is compensated, so should be a little better handling in full auto, but might be an ear popper inside a car(you could change the barrel). The Glock is very controllable, with an educated trigger finger. Once you get beyond one or two car lengths, the nod would go to an HK with stock. The neat thing with the G18, is you can have it on you while moving to and from the car, and not look obviously armed. The HK is substantially more bulky under your jacket. Frankly, if you are not limited to one gun, I would carry the G18, and put an HK in a heavier caliber in the car for anti-vehicle/roadblock duty. Always good to have a backup gun!

Frankly, the HK and the Glock are more fun to practice with, then the Uzi's of any size. You'll get good with them quicker, and if you like shooting them, you are more likely to practice, instead of it being a chore.

Will
 
Left Hander... on Glock 18 issue I agree. However, I prefer 3 brust option since in a fire fight, and tense situation nerves get the better of you no matter how much training you have in a non hostile situation. yes, if I am involved in numerous fire fights, and survive, then I can rate myself to the level you are talking about. That said, you have got me thinking about Glock 18, since high cap mags. are available for, but the problem for me remains availability of the pistols and high price here (~12000$).

Chindo....I have found one Sig 551-2, with controlled 3 brust option, but the asking price here is close to 20K! This is because it is illegally imported and only person has it somewhere near Pakistan/Afghan border who is selling it.
 
with the right amount of practice you can shoot singles, doubles, and triples with an MP-5 using the full-auto setting only.

no need for a burst setting.
 
In the U.S., use of a registered full auto for defense is not a good idea. Guns used in defense, even when the shooter is not arrested, tend to be seized by the police and sort of disappear or be returned in less than pristine condition.

I strongly recommend that NO valuable or irreplaceable gun be carried on the person or in a vehicle. Get a good, reliable gun, but leave the auto weapons and super-duper sexed up 1911s with the diamond inserts and gold plating at home. When you are confronted by the cops and told to "drop the gun" it is not good to have to drop a $700 gun; having to drop a $5000 pistol or a $25,000 machinegun would be painful enough to cause hesitation, and hesitation could be fatal.

Jim
 
Jim, the OP lives in Pakistan, and has access to the goodies we can't really get anymore (without paying arm, leg, and backbone, that is!!!)
 
It would seem to me that a SMG might be a little unwieldy for car use - too long and heavy for one handed use.

Why not get a Glock 18? I don't care for Glocks, but hey, they'd fit the bill. Get one of those attachable stocks for it and a small, low-profile red dot and you'd have yourself a nice, small, light, maneuverable SMG with a 30-round capacity. Added bonus: if you can carry a SMG, you can carry a full-auto and have it double for car duty.

That's what I'd do, at least.
 
Sir ---

Given your local and the cost I presume if you are considering this it is not without just cause, and may you and your family stay safe and have no need of the weapon.

As to the Sub guns you will not go wrong with a MP5, they are almost indestructable and as they are still being made by POF you can be assured of a reasonable parts supply, most MP5 acessories interchange and I belive (thought there are far, far more learned MP5 hands around here) one can add the PDW stock by removing the reciver but cap and installing the apropriate stock, whihc I believe was made by Chote here in the States, they even had a harness to carry it under your arm and more or less automatically deploy when brought up and into use.

Since it's a stock it may not be hard to get one imported esp if you coudl find an individual with one for sale here.

The MP5 is near profection in my book (other than caliber) and the MP5K can be easilly carried in a breif case or backpack as well.... might help for the daily comming and going of live.

As to the Uzi, given the political issues with import and export of parts I'd stay clear the MP5 is a better gun and if you proctice much then sooner or latter you will need some parts or another... you would not want to set sidelind for want of a small part.

The glock 18 is nice, if you can carry in public maybe it would be a good option as you could add a sholder stock and 33 round mag when needed, otherwise again you are better off with the Mp5

The Swiss arms 550 series are wonderfull guns and 5.56 is superior to 9mm, however agian if they are rare (they are here as well even in semi-auto, due to import laws) in your county cost, parts and other considerations overule the advantages.

Have you considered some of the compact kalisnikov type guns? They lack grace and refinement, but they work and I would think in most any economy would be the lower cost option.

Or what about M16 series guns? Here in the states there are as short as 9 inch or so barrels available for them, collapsing stocks and so forth, and you can have mutiple uppers and run them on the same lower gun... good for spare parts and for switching between a very compact gun and more of a traditional long arm.

Just food for thought, stay safe.
 
Hey

Im a huge fan of the UMD's butt he mp5 is a blast! We has machinge gun day at the ranges and i got a chance to shoot the mp40, thompson, Uzi, mp5, and UMD, I even got to shoot an m16(not ar15). It was a blast
BUT!
Uzi is my favorite!
Mp5 is a great firearm dont get me wrong, but with reliability its as good as an uzi, and uzi stays on target better, they both shoot 9mmX19 round although the UZI just stayed on target better on fully automatic. Try it its amazing.
 
Both!

Facts are these (IMHO).

1. You can not adequately compare the two smg's. Its just not fairly possible.

1. The UZI is a open bolt gun. The MP5 is closed bolt.
2. The UZI is capable of operating in 3 calibers. The MP5 is just 1.

(ok.. dont go beating me up because I say its only 9mm. I know its made in 40 and there are even .22 conversion units-that dont work-out there, and yes.. they did make trials of 10mm and even .45... but what do you see to be 99% out there only?.... yup.. the 9mm- enough said)...

3. If you want available parts ... they're just about even. There are just as many smiths capable of working on an UZI as the MP5. The MP5 has more accessories available to it, but replacement parts, the two are even.

4. The UZI is far simpler in operation than the MP5. KISS at its best.

5. Both offer about the same in reliability. Both are damn near indestructible.

6. The popular vote will and always has, gone to the MP5. The UZI is 'old' technology (so is the MP5, but who knows.)...

7. Personally I've used both in combat situations, and can attest to both of their mission effectiveness. Neither is any better than the other in a real-world practical use. Neither tends to malfunction caked in sand and mud, and both are ageless designs. The only thing the UZI has over the MP5 is the ability to use a real bullet (the .45 ... ok im biased to that caliber, but for good damn reason. Its saved my life on two separate occasions).

Its a personal choice. Would I carry the UZI over the MP5? Depends on mission needs. For a personal gun? Probably not. The MP5 is far less ominous to the untrained eye. In combat? If most of my fellow operators carried it too.. then hell yes. In a heart beat. But in combat units, you want to carry the same tools your swimbuddy carries so parts and stuff interchange. (I.e replacement parts, ammo, and magazines).

Bottom line… You cant go wrong with either weapon. On the transferable side of the house-What do you want? You’ve got more bragging rights with the MP5, but you also have to pay for it. 16:20k-USD on average. The UZI will cost about half that and you'll have to contend with a lot more politics as the UZI is more identifiable.
 
If you want a cannon in a VERY compact package you can even go up to 7.62nato in the dsa osw, very nice, also would be my choice in your situation
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also I appologize if I get your hopes up & there is no availability in your area.
But in response to your question I've shot both the mp-5 & the full-sized uzi, the mp5 had me stuck from the word go.
 
I am having a hard time figureing out how to say this... lets try this you can hide the mp-5 in a shoot through briefcase, and that's neat:p
 
The first thing I'd want to know is what is the possible situation you see arising? Not being from over there, I don't know what you are trying to protect yourself from. You say you have to be able to shoot from within the vehicle...ok, but at what/who and how many?

Can you lay out a possible scenario? Several weapons fit your criteria in my opinion.
 
If you really need something as big as an MP5 in the car with you, I'd rather have an AKSU74 or HK53, or any other compact assault rifle for that matter.

The hell with 9mm. Save that for pistols.
 
On the Uzi discussion, we seem to have revolved around the original full-size and others have mentioned the micro-Uzi. There is another choice, the Mini-Uzi.

I own one, and think its a great compromise between a larger, bulkier, yet more controllable weapon and the convenience of a smaller, lightweight package. While I wouldn't want my life depending upon full-auto fire from a single hand, its still within the "doable" with this weapon, and is probably easier to bring into action within the confines of an automobile.

I would still concede, however, that the MP5 is the overall superior weapon.
 
OneShotOnly,

Can you get your hands on one of these?

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Able to use as pistol... has retractable stock for shoulder-firing... foregrip... and light armor-piercing five-seven ammunition...
 
I was thinking to myself: "isn't there something better suited to be gunning all those slow poke drivers on the Santa monica freeway out of the way than a smg?"

Now that I read a little farther I am left wondering what part of pakistan actually has laws to begin with? They look like such a backwards people right up there with the cannibals in the Congo. Well, at least in pictures anyways http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xf62PKC5M
 
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