It is what it is...but to not speculate on my part Tennessee Gentleman....
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/gangtecc/
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/gangtecc/
since we have not shown that mere membership in MS13 is a disqualifier to legally purchasing firearms.Wildalaska said:so you would have no problems with a law abiding (ie never been arrested) member of MS13 walking into Joes Guns and walking out with Ma Deuce and 1000 rounds on links?
This is a typical strawman that is used by the Brady Bunch, and their ilk, to limit our freedoms. This is how we start down the slope...Are you saying that by merely being a member of MS13 puts you in the same category as a convicted felon? No trial or conviction needed just association? Does the FBI enter MS13 members who have not been convicted of a crime into NICS and therefore prohibit them from legally buying firearms? Doesn't seem constitutional to my laymen's mind.
alloy said:maybe they will let the sale of ma duece go right on thru even someone is on file as a member. are you suspecting that they will?
You have limits or you don't.
If the limit placed on a right is not articulated, reasoned and plausible, it is fair to question whether the limitation is principled.
Are you contending that the curtailment of the purported right to keep and bear arms ...
Are you contending that the curtailment of the purported right to keep and bear arms is not a limitation that is reasoned, plausible and articulated?
zukiphile said:If the limitation you propose reduces to I would prefer the right not be extended to someone because I have no confidence they would exercise it prudently, then you have not described a principled limitation on a right, and have treated it not as a right, but a privilege to be extended politically to those who can muster the votes.
Did you include the word "purported" because you do not believe the 2d Am. descibes a right?
I am observing that not every proposed curtailment, infringement, abrogation or abridgement is based on an articulated, reasoned and plausible principle.
Military weapons are full auto, and I don't trust civilians to have military weapons is not a principled objection to civilian possession of FA rifles. .
Civilians shouldn't have FA arms because in a civilian circumstance one is responsible for where each round lands can't be reconciled with civilian possession of shotguns, or with the fact that a fully automatic firing mechanism doesn't rob an arm of it ability to be aimed.
But someone I don't like might try to buy one is not a basis for principled restriction of FA arms, since we aren't happy when someone we dislike obtains any kind of weapon.
n that respect, the analysis does not differ from Brady's, even where the conclusion does.