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Yes, there are many troops of the Bundeswehr at Ft. Bliss. There is even a detachment of the old SS there. That is scary. There is a group of Japanese military there. They are even scarier. Their gunhandling is downright dangerous and scares the crap out of me.
I understand there are some Netherlands troops there also but haven't seen them.

My wife and I had dinner with a large, barrel-chested Russian officer of high rank. Something like a general or Marshal. He made his poor wife eat a grilled cheese sandwich while he and the rest of his entourage had steaks or ribs.

marsh
 
So the Russian General only lets his wife eat a cheese sandwich eh? Betcha it was low-fat and he doesn't want her to blimp up and look like a stevedore.

Mike Spright is right about the Germans and everybody else being here. The Germans don't have the open space to train like we do and hence they come here. For that matter, I think Lufthansa also trains here.

A lot of foreign troops also attend our military academies (haven't you heard the leftist press scream about us training death squads?). It's a way of binding our allies to us and I don't think it smacks of conspiracy or prelude to invasion.

Face it, our enemy is within. Never mind Hans or Julio or McDonald, worry about the bozo we just sent to the Congress!

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I think Ivan is on to something. With recruitment levels down to the lowest point in recent memory, NY Times today, the self hating "americans" in DC and the press will be calling for a mercenary army. Oh damn, the Hessians are already here. By the way were these germans American loving members of the former W German army, or the commie loving, East German scum that shot their own people trying to get through the iron curtain. Oh I forgot, the Gorbachevs of the world are our allies now. Was he a Rhodes scholar too. Hard to keep things straight when your knowledge of history keeps clouding the issue. That fat cat Russian general sounds like a typical officer to me. They all have the welfare mentaity. Now their on the Pentagons gravy train, while our troops are on food stamps. I hope he gave his cow of a wife her Antrax shot.

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Bob Hawke (former Australian PM who once held a Gusiness book of records beer drinking record :)) was a rhodes scholar - oooooh this is getting spooky.
 
Ok here is the Drudge report:

http://www.Drudgereport.com/matt.htm
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 26, 1999 19:02:55 ET XXXXX

TALBOTT: NEXT CENTURY, AMERICA WILL NOT EXIST IN CURRENT FORM, 'ALL STATES
WILL RECOGNIZE A
SINGLE, GLOBAL AUTHORITY'

Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott believes the United States may not
exist in its
current form in the 21st Century -- because nationhood throughout the world
will become
obsolete!

Talbott, who is profiled in the NEW YORK TIMES on Monday [for the second time
in six months],
has defined, shaped and executed the Clinton administration's foreign policy.
He has served at
the State Department since the first day of the Clinton presidency.

Just before joining the administration, Talbott wrote in TIME magazine -- in
an essay titled
"The Birth of the Global Nation" -- that he is looking forward to government
run by "one global
authority."

"Here is one optimist's reason for believing unity will prevail ... within the
next hundred
years ... nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize
a single, global
authority," Talbott declared in the July 20, 1992 issue of TIME.

"A phrase briefly fashionable in the mid-20th century -- 'citizen of the
world' -- will have
assumed real meaning by the end of the 21st."

Talbott continued: "All countries are basically social arrangements,
accommodations to changing
circumstances. No matter how permanent and even sacred they may seem at any
one time, in fact
they are all artificial and temporary."

Talbott's belief that the United States of America and other nations are
"artificial and
temporary" continues to cause a rift inside of the State Department, the
DRUDGE REPORT has
learned.

"I think we are losing sight that we work for the American taxpayer, not
Russia, not Asia," one
State Department veteran told the DRUDGE REPORT in Washington. "Mr. Talbott is
completely
consumed with world order and has alienated many career employees here. [His]
attitude borders
on obsession."

In recent months, Talbott has come under fire for his stand on Russia. The
policy of financial
and political engagement with Russia as revelations pour forth of massive
money-laundering
schemes has made Talbott the target of critics, reports John Broder at the
TIMES.

"We have to be calm and steady and have a clear sense of purpose," Talbott
tells Monday's NEW
YORK TIMES.

"One of my modest suggestions to the world is strategic patience. We have to
be calm and steady
and have a clear sense of purpose when that dynamic is discouraging, as it is
today," Talbott
tells the TIMES.

Global government has proven to be slightly more complicated than one optimist
dreamed.

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The German Air Force is here training to fly the airplanes they buy from us. They were here at Luke AFB for a long time training in Lockheed F104s It dam near wiped out the German air force. I would suspect that they are flying F16s now. I can remember training the Chinese. Thailand. German, English, Japanese and a lot of central and South American troops since WW2. It's a matter of having you allies able to help you defend the world. You can bet that any foreign troops on our soil is of financial benefit to an American Corp. It isn't the troops I fear it's the politicians.
Put your party affiliation behind you and make our cause your priority.
 
another link from the drudge report page:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/newsid_457000/457224.stm
World

UN targets small arms

Unlike their victims, guns survive from one war to another

United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has called on the
international community to stem the proliferation of small arms across
the world.

He told a special meeting of the Security Council that restricting the
flow of such weapons would be a key challenge in preventing conflict
in the next century.


Estimates of the number of firearms in the world
range from 100 million to 500 million.

Mr Annan said there was "no single tool of
conflict so widespread, so easily available, and
so difficult to restrict, as small arms".

''Not only are they the primary instrument of the
murder of civilians who are increasingly targetted in civil wars of our
area but, unlike their victims, small arms survive from conflict to
conflict,'' he added.

US action

US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said America would "refrain
from selling arms to regions of conflict not already covered by arms
embargoes".

"We have passed laws making it illegal for [arms] traffickers subject to
American law to broker illicit deals anywhere. We ask others to crack
down on brokering as well."


British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook
said $5 million would buy
''approximately 20,000 assault rifles -
enough to equip the army of a
medium-sized state".

He said conflicts fought with small
weapons had killed more than three
million people in the past decade
alone.

"We need to regulate and make
more transparent the official trade in
firearms. And we must drive out the
business in the illicit traffic in
firearms."

Gem trade

Mrs Albright also recommended
cracking down on the illicit trade in precious stones, which is used to
raise money to buy arms.


"The United States accounts for
65% of the world's gemstone
market, and we recognise that we
must play our part to end illicit
transactions," she said.

Mrs Albright cited the example of
Sierra Leone, where she said illicit
profits from diamond sales had
"allowed the RUF (the rebel
Revolutionary United Front) to
transform itself from a band of 400
into a marauding army of
thousands".

Several members of the Security
Council spoke in favour of marking
and registering firearms, so that their
movement could be tracked.
Canada suggested ammunition
should also be branded.

But China opposed strict controls, saying that countries should be
allowed to manufacture and export small arms.

Annan's proposals

In his report Mr Annan recommended that member states should:

Better enforce UN arms embargoes on nations in conflict

Adopt gun control laws including a prohibition of unrestricted
trade and private ownership of small arms

Require arms manufacturers to put serial numbers and
identification marks on weapons

Ensure stockpiles of unmarked weapons are carefully guarded
to prevent theft, and destroyed as soon as possible

Share information on the registration of guns and on legal
transactions, in order to trace black market deals

Stop shipments of weapons to regions of conflict

A brochure produced at the meeting by the Netherlands said an AK-47
assault rifle could be bought in Uganda for the price of a chicken, in
Kenya for the price of a goat and in Mozambique and Angola for the
price of a sack of corn.

dZ

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He told a special meeting of the Security Council that restricting the flow of such weapons would be a key challenge in preventing conflict in the next century.

Yes, Kofi. We KNOW why you want us to give up our guns. "Preventing conflict," in the UN lexicon, means "Invading without resistance."
After all, with no resistance, there's no conflict, right?


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"America needs additional gun laws like a giraffe needs snow tires."
--Rabbi Mermelstein, JPFO
 
Coineach, Marsh, Paul and myself are on the right track. At the least these foreigners will be replacing american men in our "own" armed forces. Wake up the rest of you! Read Talbots comments that Dz gave you and digest this stuff. Gorbie at the Presidio has ,I believed, been part of the plan to gut the Us military and turn it into a international force that will NOT be used for any good purposes here . I have been trying to reach people about the MANY foreign soldiers already in this country and see some are waking up. Time is not on the side of the patriots. But I have been hearing that some good military people still in are educating the american soldiers about the Globalists and their agenda. What hurts us all is apathy or the attitude that"it cant happen here".
 
I remember 25 years ago as an OCS candidate walking through Infantry hall at ft Benning and seeing a multitude of foreign officers in uniform. The US has always maintained close ties with its allies and even has exchange programs with other countries. I remember a British Colonel as a committee head during my training chewing us out for some miscue in a simulated attack.

When I was stationed at Ft Stewart GA the Germans were considering using the base as a training ground for their tank units, but went to Canada instead.

We shouldn't worry about the Germans, if something happens they will surrender and stay here, the biggest danger from them is their driving habits!

Geoff Ross

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Damn!...I need more practice!
Pi$$ off the left, register to vote.
 
Another flash from the past Sieg Heil.

US soldiers attacked by civilians
http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpin18.htm

Who really cares what any Aussie PM, MP or whatever did as a Rhodes Scholar. The Brits set up the Rhodes Scholarship program to brainwash the cream of the crop. Its their version of the liu chie system that the Chinese used to control the masses for centuries. What they turn out are the Fabian Socialist that permeate the US government and our state governments at all levels. The British Colonialist mentality is what we fought against two hundred years ago, and it has not changed. What we are looking at is a globalism controlled by the multi national corporations. You know like the Mass Bay Colony that took control of Massachusetts in the 17th century. It was started by venture capitalists and became a tool of an elitist government that supressed free trade and tried to tax the people into submission. Thats what the damn revolution was all about. Corporate tyranny is just another brand of Colonialism.

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Rich/moderators: Sorry about this...he fired the first PUBLIC shot and I can't let this go by.
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Paul Morceau:

I read your comments following marsh's post yesterday AM. Thought I'd wait until today and chew on a reply for a while. I couldn't figure out if marsh's post was jerking our collective chains and you were playing along or if marsh was serious and you were playing along or you were serious. Seems you were very serious.

So tell me about a "...typical officer..." and their "...welfare mentality...". How much do you know about it? Did you ever have the privilege of wearing the uniform in defense of this country? If so, tell me about the officers and NCOs you served with.
Tell us about your service and what contributions you made.

My experiences over the years are quite "typical" so let me tell you about a "typical officer" since I spent almost half of my life wearing the uniform, both as an enlisted man and as an officer. I really don't remember anything like a handout or welfare during all those years. I distinctly remember making about $125.00 a month as a young E-2 in 1969...I guess the fact that I didn't have to pay federal income taxes on the huge sum of money I earned during the year I spent in a combat unit in Vietnam would count as welfare though...Oh year, the 4 years I spent in college on the GI Bill and the fully funded grad school program I was lucky enough to be selected for when I was a Captain...I guess those both count as welfare too. All the moves around the world, the busted up furniture, calls in the middle of the night when I was a Platoon Leader, Company Commander and Staff Officer, long deployments to various **** holes throughout the third world, 60 hour weeks, jerking my family around (Oops...I forgot...I don't have that family anymore...another divorce statistic in the incredibly high casualty rate of US Army SOF marriages). Yeah, it was all gravy...real welfare. But you know, I loved every minute of it...I loved the soldiers I was privileged to serve with and (for the most part) the senior officers who led me. I wouldn't trade the experience for anything.

Morceau, I don't think you know jack about a typical officer, NCO or soldier. And if you did serve and even held a commission I remember your type quite well...always bitching and whining while others did your job for you.

As to your snide comment about those whose historical persepctive is clouded...well, speaking for myself, I have an education that provided me with an excellent perspective of history, and most professional soldiers are avid students of history. I only wish you had some inkling of International Relations, Strategic Policy and Engagement Theory. It's pretty obvious that you don't.

Bottomline, men like you, Ivan and some others here hate those of us who serve...even though the service the soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines provide this nation in defense of the Constitution and the people enables you to insult that service by describing officers as having a welfare mentality when in reality, the only welfare that we were concerned about was the welfare of our troops.

If you care to respond, take it to e-mail. I only replied publicly on the forum in response to your characterization of typical officer mentality. I'll be out of town until next Monday, but don't worry. I'll read what you have to say and respond as soon as possible.

Mike Spight
LTC (Ret) US Army
 
Mike,

First let me say,"Thank you for your service,I appreciate it." Your dedication and sacrifice to follow a military career is not taken for granted by all your fellow citizens. Never think it.

Next I would like to say that I enlisted in the US Army Reserve for a term of six years on May 10, 1974. The draft had ended so why did I join? My duty. My obligation to my country. Because I loved the idea of being a soldier? You're out of your mind. I knew before I joined that I was going to hate it and I was right. But it was my duty...period.

Next, as an ardent student of history, I must say that some on this list are getting history from sources not accessible to me. Gentlemen, I would like sources referenced in the future as well as a note as to the primary, secondary, tertiary, anecdotal, or hearsay status of the source. Please :)

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Byron Quick
 
This is not a flame(classic start of a post on a forum ;))

Being from the Netherlands, we got used to having British and US forces on Dutch soil. For a long time there was a squadron of F15 Eagles stationed on Soesterberg AFB. The houses around the base where all inhabited by US flight and ground troops. The base itself was secured by Dutch and US forces. This was in NATO agreement.

Perhaps lesser known is the fact that Dutch special operations forces crosstrain with US Naval Specwar operators and US army specops community. This is not part of a conspiracy but part of an alliance forged at the end of WWII.

Someone has said it here before, we lack something in Europe you people in the USA have plenty of. Large desert plains to train jet fighter pilots in.

But remember the largest part of NATO's forces are still US forces, with perhaps Germany and the Netherlands in close second and third.

Dont mix the Xfiles with NATO agreements.

Kuiper

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Mike, that tirade against Paul and others like me who are concerned over the Globalist trends in our politicalAND military leadership is uncalled for . For the record I served 3 years in the US Army and for you to say that people like me and others hate the Us military is absurd ;to say the least. The US military,like the US government are no sacred cows. If they are violating the Constitution as in Waco with Delta Force shootings , they must be held accountable like every one else. It was a entirely different nation when you and I served in the 60's and into the seventies. The military, like the federal police , have become for the most part politicized arms of this corrupt federal Regime entrenched in Wasington, DC. But make no mistake about it , there are still Patriotic American military personnel and perhaps even Federal police who do not like what is going on in this nation. People must not have their heads in the sand in this time of national peril.Individuals like Paul , Marsh, and many others are on the mark as far as I am concerned. Vigilence is the price we must pay to keep our freedoms that the founders gave us. I am telling people to get Alex Jones video, Police State 2000, make copies of it and pass them along. Alex Jones has given permission to do this. Many people have given copies to their local police and military people which is very important. His website is infowars. com. sorry for the semi rant but I coulnt let such comments go unanswered.
 
Could we stop and think about some of the things we're worried about here? We have trained foreign troops on American soil for generations. Besides the Europeans in the desert, we have the School of the Americas at Ft Benning GA. It moved there from Panama in 1986.

The thing to remember is that if we brought every foreign soldier who has ever trained on U.S. soil back and armed them, there would still not be enough of them to take over and enslave the American people. The American people are going to enslave themselves I fear, but that is a topic for another thread.

Do you guys realize how many soldiers it takes to physically control a large populated piece of ground? Against an armed unwilling population. All of NATO put together doesn't have the resources to do that.

Even if they had the troops to do it with, they'd never be able to support them in the field. We are too big and the populace is too well armed to be conquered like that. It is simply not an issue. No one has the industrial capability to sustain an army that size while it was deployed. And the lines of communication from population center to population center here would be too long to secure. All you have to do is look back at conflicts of the past fifty years, look at the numbers of soldiers involved, then look at the end strenths of the worlds armies. It is just not possible.

Now I don't know where some of you get your ideas about what the attitude of YOUR armed forces is, but it is not globalist. The army is not political. It is subservient to the elected civilian leadership.

It won't like some of the things the nation asks it to do, but it will do them. We have yet to see if it will obey unconstitutional orders, but I think a crisis like that would destroy the armed forces.
Jeff
 
Delta Force was used at Waco to attack a church and kill American civilians. Its open knowledge by now evenamong the masses. The last i heard was that Delta Force is part of OUR military. This is a outrage beyond description and would have been unheard of when i was in the Army(at least we directed our actions at foreign enemy) Actions like this against American citizens would have caused huge demonstrations in this country at one time. But i am afraid the few of us who give a damn are spitting in the wind. Maybe if a mainline church is attacked some day a few more people will wake up. Maybe. A shaped charge which the Texas rangers say was placed on the concrete roof of the "bunker" at the bottom of the tower was not put there by some FBi or ATF lackey. This type of charge is expertly crafted and put where it achieves the maximum damage. This is military work. And with the discovery of 24 shell casing with IMI markings at the 2 neighboring sniper houses used to pick off people fleeing the flaming buildings, the question of foreign involvement looms. You want foreign troops? Members of the SAS were at Waco during the seige according to a reporter of the Sunday Times.
 
We also admit foreign students to our various military academies.
I'll worry about foreign troops when they become aggressive...as for now, they are just here, paying for training and facilities.

Let's put this in perspective...I don't equate Mykl or Mike Spight with Bill Clinton; why should we consider a German, Philipino or Brit pilot or trooper a prelude to some sort of NWO invasion?

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There are some cities in which I can't recommend Nato deployment without acceptance of huge casulties (NY, Chicago, LA).

No navy exists which can transport the number of troops and equipment we needed for the invasion of Normandy. The logistical aspect of overrunning the United States is staggering. Even if foreign troops were to use US equipment, there just isn't enough to "secure" any large area if the local population is hostile.

Heck, the easiest way to subject the American people is to control the food and water; and they won't need to invade for that.

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My DI told me I was a jerk because I was RA. You know Regular A##&*(). He told me that if I had any brains I would have joined the NG. Anyway if you expect me to believe that there aren't officers with the corporate, punch my ticket mentality, I don't. And I would never put NCOs in the same class as officers. Remember, hey private don't call me sir I work for a living. The bloated Pentagon budget is driven by a mentality that comes from a world where someone else pays the bill.
I don't hate the military. I hate what the leadership in Washington has done to it. I also hate what the corporate military mind has done to our men, ala Agent Orange, Nerve Agent vaccines, and now the Anthrax vaccine. And don't forget the POW/MIA issue. Bob Smith didn't and he was ostracized by the Kerry's of the world. They're screwing retirees out of their medical coverage, and our soldiers have to get food stamps to feed their families. I can't believe more general officers have not spoken up. Specialist New had the guts to tell them where to stick the UN blue. And that ain't up in the sky. http://www.freecitizen.com/mike.htm
Check out this website and see what the hell is going on in this man's, womens, whatever's army today.
www.freeyellow.com/members7/rlmcmahon/page4.html

By the way Mike, where did you do basic.
I respect your service to your country but
I still think that Russian officer is a pig and his wife is a cow.

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