Flat tire scenario

LOL some of you guys scare me. Take a breath of fresh air, and realize that most people don't want to harm you. There's a lot of quick draws with guns running around, on the edge, ready to pull it out as soon as a threat is perceived.
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No one was suggesting he pop a cap in the guy's rear -- all I was saying was that in a situation like that, where I had a firearm in the car, and where I was getting help from a stranger (however nice he seems,) I'd prefer to have the firearm on my person at all times. I do not carry every day, but when I do, I believe that it is safer for all concerned for me to be physically carrying it, and not stuck in a glove compartment. Sounded like the OP was just asking for opinions on whether or not his actions were the best possible route he could have taken, and I think that those of us suggested it wouldn't have hurt to grab his revolver were just saying that that probably would have been the "optimal" strategy to take for personal security, even though things turned out just fine anyway.

If, for example, the stranger turned out to be a BG, no doubt the OP would have been wishing he'd had the firearm on his person. That's all.
 
Thanks for the input

Just checking back in and as usual the feedback is about what I hoped for, balanced and varied according to one's perspective and mindset. I appreciate it.

W.E.G. PLease post a link for the so called gun board netiquette rules. Must have missed that one. I have been reading this board for over a year even though I only joined a month ago. Do I have to prove that to you somehow? The reason I risked a post is because this did happen to me and I found my interpretation of the event was influenced (positively) by my listening to the members who post here and on other boards. The reason I don't post more is that I don't know much at all about firearms and all the related issues to ownership and use. In other words, two eyes, two ears, one keyboard. But I'm learning more every day. Even from you. Is that scent coming through a little better for you now?

Got to go change the oil in the car now in the backyard. I'll ask the wife to provide suppressive fire in case things go downhill while I'm under the hood. :p
 
I have often stopped to render aid or obtain tools for a broken down vehicle or motorcycle in need. I'll think twice about it before I do it again. I don't want some jerk off thinking I'm trying to mug him.
 
Well all keep in mind it goes both ways.

I will stop for women but not men...unless they are elderly men or something. I figure that most men will be equally capable or more capable than me. The only exception for men is if I see some guy trying to push a car out of traffic and I will.

I am leery of anyone who is going to stop and try to help me, especially if it is a man....I live in the State where Deliverance was filmed after all! :D

Any man stopping to help me is going to get a lot of extra caution attention from me.

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The only possible exception I might have is that when he approached, you might have stood up & greeted him rather than staying stooped down. It's friendly to begin with - not threatening, and it makes your tactical position better.
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I agree with Tanzer. Not only is it polite, but you could hold the conversation as long as you need to to size up the man's intentions and catch your breath.

Country boys like myself will stop and help anyone that looks like a good person. I know that is hard to describe...but you all know one when you see them. Besides, a lot of times I stop to help them, not just because I am a 'good ol' boy', but because I don't want some evil do'er to stop instead.

LonelyattheTop, you did fine. Your good samaritan was probably wondering the same thing.
 
Is it just me, or did anybody else wonder why a guy who has been a member for less than a month, and with only 4 posts puts something like this on the board?

I think there is a footnote in chapter 8 of the gun-board netiquette handbook that says you don't post a "how'd I do" lethal-force-scenario thread until you have at least been around long enough for the hound to get used to your scent.
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Of course, this comes from W.E.G. who has a grand total of 42 posts and has been a member less than 4 months.

W.E.G., this was not a lethal force scenario thread. If time on the board was a critical component, then your vast time here would have allowed you to realize that, right? As for Chapter 8, there are some rules for TFL that you could review and none say anything about requiring time on the board to post queries.

How did you do LATT? One school of thought says you did fine because nothing bad happened. The other school says that you were caught off guard and when the guy approached, didn't do anything to greatly better your position and even turned your back on the guy. Next time, you will better know what to do.
 
You were right to be nervous...many years ago I wouldn't have suspected anything but...

around 20 yrs ago - this fall - was the last ticket I received (i am very lucky with driving) - I attended the taffic safety school California offerred - at that time if you attended a safety class you recieved no points for the speeding ticket - anyway I will always remember the CHP that taught the class and one story in particular he told us.

Seems him and a partner pulled up to a car on the side iof the freeway and noticed a man climbing up from the embankment that sloped downwards. They thought he was moving in a kind of stumbling manner so they got out and questioned him - he wasn't drunk and was not cooperating - to make a long story short - he had a flat and was changing it when another car stopped and 2 guys got out and asked if he needed help. He said "no I got it handled" and turned around to the tire - next thing he remembers is waking up down below with his pants off - you can guess what happened.

This was 20+ years ago and in California but now its 2007 and I wouldn't turn my back on anybody.

Glad it worked out OK but its better to be safe.
 
It's sad that we have to worry about the motives of someone. But, in this day and age, we do. I subscribe to rule #5 in my list of Rules To Live By.

5. Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

It doesn't mean you are always in code red. It simply means to assess every situation. If you use the basic senses we all have, you can usually figure out if you are a predator.... or if you are about to become prey.

I will usually stop to help a female who is broken down on the side of the road. I sometimes don't stop to help a guy. I've had mixed outcomes from stopping. Initially, the smart people are just a little bit worried about my intentions. They are the people who will probably not become a victim. IMO, they are the smart ones. The bubble-headed bleach blonde (sorry,but it is a good stereotype to emphasize my point) is likely to end up as a crime statistic. Pay attention to your surroundings. Don't be an easy mark. Alway assess the situation- if the hairs on your neck are standing up, you might be about to have a problem.
 
That is a rediculous question. That is the type of question that dumbs down these discussions.

If you guys want to change a flat, or stop to help someone UNARMED, just so you can relax, live relaxed, and not seem paranoid - GO FOR IT.
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Life is full of choices, I choose to not live in fear, self induced especially. My question was valid, from the sound of his post I felt he was in fear, and might have done just that. I read these posts here and leave thinking there seems to be a lot of young guys that want violence so they can use their weapons on a living human. That scares me more than any BG, I know what to expect from a BG...
 
My comment is based on my suspicious nature.

The idea that this flat-tire situation would implicate anything at all related to a lethal force issue, or that such a situation should induce a fearful reaction in any person of ordinary temperament makes me suspect that the question may be intended to elicit an inflammatory reaction by "gun nuts."

But, what would I know? Being such a newbie that I am. ;)

Glad you got your tire changed and a cool drink of water.
 
I read these posts here and leave thinking there seems to be a lot of young guys that want violence so they can use their weapons on a living human. That scares me more than any BG, I know what to expect from a BG...
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Young guys? huh, I don't remember anyone mentioning their age. Nor has any advice here sounded immature. I am an accomplished professional and a father of 5. I imagine the rest of these gentlemen are not juveniles.

Just because I CCW into a convenient store does not mean I live scared. Just because we advocate that this guy would be safer if he CCW when changing a tire doesn't mean we live scared. It also doesn't mean we are looking for voilence or an excuse to use our guns.

I hate to bust your bubble, but just because I am packing doesn't mean I pull and shoot when someone looks or acts suspicious. If you don't know when to responsibly pull and shoot, you definetely should not CCW. I don't remember the last news article where a CCW pulled and shot soemone that wasn't warranted. If that is your mentality, I hope you do NOT ccw.

Asking if this guy would shoot the guy just because he stopped to help is absurd and shows complete ignorance regarding the responsibility of ccw. You are assuming because the guy is wondering if he should have been carrying a gun, that he would have been looking for a fight. That is how the anit-gun lobby thinks.

Also, Fear vs. cautious, not wanting to be a victim, are two entirely different things. I am in less fear when I am carrying because I feel I am MUCH less likely to become a victim.

You know what to expect from a bad guy?? You said a bad guy is more predictable than a CCW holder? Once again you're right inline with the anti-gun lobby (can you say Rosie O) That is like Rosie O saying Christians are far more dangerous than Muslims.
 
Not everyone's gonna kill you. Especially if they have an Australian accent (Teacher story). I think you were fine not reaching for the gun. Just don't get in his car, don't let him reach in any suspicious places, and don't let him have that strange creepy jumpy look.
 
If someone offers assistance, that's fine.
It shows that they are probably just a good samaritan.

But hanging around after you declined assistance...that's just a little suspicious.
 
Asking if this guy would shoot the guy just because he stopped to help is absurd and shows complete ignorance regarding the responsibility of ccw.
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Call it how you wish pard, the post made it sound as if he was fearing for his life and wanted a gun. Glad I live here and not by you. I have guns, shoot ever yweek, just helped a pard get his CCW in Nebr. There is a time to throw down, this wasnt it.

Feel better when you carry? I dont, the weight throws me off.

Most folk are younger than I, been around a long time, plan on being around longer, been shot once, stabbed once shot at a few times. Dont CCW, but a weapon is always close to hand.

Dont call me ignorant either. I try to give gun folk a good name, not scare anyone that might just happen to read these posts. Some of these sure do sound crazy.
 
Double Naught Spy,
You recent post is blatantly discriminating against low post count participants! You high post count makes you smarter HOW? Maybe you just have more time on your hands. Just because someone has a low post count, doesn't equate to inexperience or ignorance. It means they are new to the forum. Your arrogance to new members is counterproductive to growing this forum in a positive way.
 
It's really very sad the first thing people think of in this situation is how to defend ourselves. Didn't used to be that way. Personally I can't stand to see someone on the side of the road trying to fix their car alone.

I don't think what happened should be a 'scenerio', but rather an opportunity to let someone help you.:rolleyes:
 
I'm in the country and if someone is parked with car trouble, I will drive up and ask from my vehicle if they need anything, water, tools, a phone for tow, etc. If they need help I try to assist. If they are OK, I move on. If they need to walk to my home to borrow something for their repair like a floor jack, thats fine too.

I think next time I better just give the guy the bird and move on so I don't get shot.
 
998 times out of a thousand it will be safe to help or be helped. But I always plan to defend myself and others. That way when the 2 out of a thousand happens, I (and others) have a better chance to defeat evil and prevail. For me I consider it a duty, not John Wayne, but a duty I am willing to accept.
 
Based on the posts of people pulling their gun because they were "threatened", I feel that many of those people are too quick to pull the guns and I see this over and over on this forum and others.

Heck, you can't even argue with someone anymore. If that guy has a ccw, there's a good chance he's gonna pull his piece on you if he feels intimidated in the least bit. You always hear about a fist-fight breaking out, then some clown pulls a gun out and shoots the other guy. :rolleyes:

If someone throws a punch at me, or pushes me in anger or something, he doesn't deserve to have a loaded gun leveled at his chest or killed. He would have to have a weapon and obviously about to use it on me in order for me to be threatened enough to pull my gun on him. I get the feeling that many ccw folks walk around scared to death of every guy that looks at him funny, and walking around on-the-edge, ready to pull it out at the slightest hint of trouble.
 
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