A more ridiculous case of taking things out of context/not understanding points I've never seen. Even on this forum. To set you straight ...
ABSOLUTELY! So if I want to prohibit shirt and bra possession for women between 18 and 25,
Ever heard of a strip club, they pretty much enforce that rule at every one I ever went to
NO. A strip club does NOT enforce any rules against women being dressed. Female patrons can come and go as they please while fully dressed. In most clubs non-strippers (i.e. cleaning crew, bar tenders) do not undress and cannot be forced to do so (a strip club owner who told his nighttime janitor she had to work naked would probably go to jail).
Undressing is a condition of employment for stripper, not a condition of entering the facility. And a necessary condition of employment, as hiring a stripper who won't undress is like hiring a mechanic who refuses to fix cars.
Likewise, a company that hires women to work as mechanics CANNOT have any rules or conditions of employment that force them to undress. Did you think they could?
But I can't think of a job that would be affected because the employee has a gun locked up out in his car. Because there isn't one.
Or if I want to prohibit union brochures, canes/walkers/crutches/eyeglasses, etc., I can do that too. Right?
You do have the right to restrict publications from being passed out on your property and as to the rest look up the Americans With Disabilities Act
The government has already suceeded in tell property owners who they have to allow on their property with the establishment of protected groups
NO! ... you cannot stop union brochures and information being passed out on your property. You cannot stop union organizing activities on your property. That's the law. The rights of your workers and society (as defined by law) TRUMP your property rights 100%.
And the ADA is another proof to my point. There is huge precedent and plenty of moral reasons to enforce rules on private property owners as to who they can allow on their property. Even as to how they have to set up their property to accomodate people. The ADA TRUMPS your property rights 100%.
Call me a hypocrite, but I am not going to let myself become a victim to a violent crime to save some company a few bucks on their insurance premium.
No one forces you to enter the building and why do you feel that your feeling that a gun makes you safer justifies forcing the property owner to have to pay more in insurance premiums
No one forces the building owner to allow the public into their building either. Does the owner have to pay more insurance for allowing disabled people on his property? I don't know. Or care. As a society we have said that if a company is going to own a business, a minimum rule of running that business is that they MUST make accomodations for people with disabilities.
In the same manner, if we decide as a society (via our elected leaders) that we are all made safer by making sure people are able to carry their legal weapons with them, then companies MUST accomodate that. And if it raises some kind of insurance rate (very doubtful) then it raises it for all companies and keeps the playing field level.
The same arguments are repeated over and over above, but I'm realy sick of reading the "but property owners have rights" whine. AS has been proven repeatedly, the laws passed by society to make society safer TRUMP those property rights. This is NOT AN ISSUE and there is not point in debating it, because such a law is legal and has plenty of precedent to make it so.
The only argument is whether it's best or not for society, and that is a matter of personal opinion. Not saying we should debate it, but understand that arguing for property rights is pointless because property rights are not violated by this law, anymore than by all the other laws mentioned.
So just to recap a few of the MANY laws that TRUMP property rights for the public safety:
- Union Organizing Rules
- ADA
- Fire Safety (inspections, etc.)
- Health Rules (particularly for restaurants)
- Labor Laws (OSHA, etc.)
- A myriad of public easements (sidewalks, utility lines, etd.)
- Height of building laws
- zoning ordinances
- Any illegal activity (growing pot, drugs, violence, etc.)
I'm sure there are more ... above are just some general examples.