haiauphixu
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how about the most recent Walther CCP
I'm sure it is a fix barrel semi-automatic pistol..
I'm sure it is a fix barrel semi-automatic pistol..
Fixed barrel semi autos?
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High Standard 22LR pistols with the military grip such as the Victor, Trophy and Citation have fixed barrels. The barrel usually requires a mallet to hit the release button for field stripping. Rear sight is mounted on the rib of the barrel on the Victor. Others have the rear sight mounted on a bridge at the rear of the frame.
Let's not forget the ultimate fixed barrel handgun with sights mounted to the barrel and everything ready for the superb accuracy in high powered cartridges that the OP is looking for. The venerable revolver. 
(Yeah yeah I know this isn't the revolver forum, but it had to be said)
(Yeah yeah I know this isn't the revolver forum, but it had to be said)
Walt Sherrill
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RE: P-08/Luger
Yeah, but the toggle on the rear (which has the rear sight) can move around; consistent barrel and sight alignment is the bugaboo for most guns... (The Luger barrel does move a bit on the frame, and that can also allow some inconsistency in front/rear sight alignment.)
I've had two Lugers (P-08s) and they were both tack-drivers. The best was a Soviet-captured one, sloppily refinished by the Soviets, with a badly pitted barrel (near the chamber) -- but all matching except for the side plate. With good mags, the can be pretty reliable, too!
My CZ Kadet Kit is amazingly accurate. It is better than a couple of Ruger MKIIs I've owned, including a beautiful, stainless, long-barreled slab-sided Target Competition model, which was no slouch! The barrel and sights are a fixed unit on the Kadet kit.
Yeah, but the toggle on the rear (which has the rear sight) can move around; consistent barrel and sight alignment is the bugaboo for most guns... (The Luger barrel does move a bit on the frame, and that can also allow some inconsistency in front/rear sight alignment.)
I've had two Lugers (P-08s) and they were both tack-drivers. The best was a Soviet-captured one, sloppily refinished by the Soviets, with a badly pitted barrel (near the chamber) -- but all matching except for the side plate. With good mags, the can be pretty reliable, too!
My CZ Kadet Kit is amazingly accurate. It is better than a couple of Ruger MKIIs I've owned, including a beautiful, stainless, long-barreled slab-sided Target Competition model, which was no slouch! The barrel and sights are a fixed unit on the Kadet kit.
If we are going to resurrect a 5-year-old thread, I will add the Beretta Neos to the list of .22LR pistols with fixed barrels.
It seems intuitive that a fixed barrel would be more accurate, but the accuracy of so many designs with a moving barrel says to me that other design factors and good overall engineering are at least as important.
It seems intuitive that a fixed barrel would be more accurate, but the accuracy of so many designs with a moving barrel says to me that other design factors and good overall engineering are at least as important.
Walt Sherrill
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The fixed barrel must have attached sights for best accuracy. Otherwise, sights mounted on the slide, as is the case with some of the fixed barrel guns, require a well-fit and consistently cycling slide for best accuracy.
Many of the .22s have barrels, receivers and sights locked as one unit, with only the bolt moving.
Back when I had a SIG P-210-6, it came with a proof target that showed a 1.75" five shot group at 50 meters, roughly 50 yards. Some of the Marvel .22 kits for the 1911 can do that well, too -- maybe better? Both are examples of the design factors and good overall engineering, you mention above.
Tactical Jackalope
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I've only owned the CZ82 and it was amazing. Just a bastard caliber so I sold it.
The H&K P7 is a fine pistol, but very expensive. Since it is discontinued, parts may be difficult to obtain. It also can get very hot in rapid fire.
I do not believe the Beretta 80 series have fixed barrels; same goes for the Browning BDA 380 ACP made by Beretta for Browning.
I do not believe the Beretta 80 series have fixed barrels; same goes for the Browning BDA 380 ACP made by Beretta for Browning.
The Mauser C96 and the Lahti both have barrels fixed into the extension*, but they are still recoil operated locked breech pistols, since the bolt remains locked to the barrel until the pressure drops. While the bolt locking is different, they both allow the barrel-receiver-bolt combination to remain locked together until the bolt is disengaged from the receiver and allowed to open.
*in some pistols, the extension is called the "receiver", to the confusion of folks who think of a receiver as a non-moving part of a rifle.
Jim
*in some pistols, the extension is called the "receiver", to the confusion of folks who think of a receiver as a non-moving part of a rifle.
Jim
That's correct. Both C96 and Lahti have barrels move slightly before the bolts unlock. Both the barrels' axis remain unchanged. Perhaps it is what matters when it comes to effects on accuracy.
For the barrel to remain absolutely stationary, it must be direct blow back design. They are mostly rim fire. A few center fire exceptions exist. But they are almost never known for accuracy.
-TL
carguychris
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The barrel of Series 81* Berettas—including Browning BDA 380 and FN 140 DA but excluding the tip-up 86—is positively locked to the frame by the takedown latch when the pistol is assembled. In the 86, it is fixed by the barrel pivot pin.Doc TH said:
Since the barrel of these pistols remains locked to the frame and does not reciprocate, tilt, or otherwise unlock on firing, IMHO the barrel should be considered fixed in terms of describing the pistols' operation.
Considering that the field-stripping procedure resembles that of many locked-breech pistols and involves removing the barrel in a similar manner, I can understand the confusion. If still doubtful, watch the barrel closely while hand-cycling the slide; the barrel does not move.
*These pistols were originally known as the Series 81 because the Beretta 80 is a .22S target pistol of unrelated design. Although many sources—including Beretta themselves—use 80 or 81 interchangeably today, I prefer Series 81.
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The answer is...it depends...
Fixed barrels have the potential to be more accurate, but there are many other factors involved.
There are basically two ways to define "fixed barrel" both valid, but different. It helps to be clear which one you are talking about, and when.
One way is a "fixed" barrel does not move, at all. Simple, and precise.
However, "fixed barrel" has also been defined as "not moving in relation to the sights".
Some guns are both. The usual sport .22pistol, like the Ruger is a fixed barrel, blowback operation, and the barrel does not move, nor do the sights.
Something like a Walther PPK is a fixed barrel, but the sights are on the slide, and do move in relation to the barrel.
The Luger P.08 has a fixed barrel (in relation to the sights) but the barrel does move back and forth.
Handguns I own where the barrel does not move at all are Ruger Mk I .22LR, Browning Challenger .22lr, Mauser HSc .32acp, Tec 9 9mm, Desert Eagle .44 Magnum, and Wildey .45WinMag.
Guns where the barrel does move, but does not move in relation to the sights are Luger p.08, Mauser C96 Broomhandle, and .44 & ,357 Auto Mag.
Strictly speaking, the standard Luger rear sight is not fixed in relation to the barrel, since it is part of the rear toggle link. The "artillery" Luger, though, has both sights on the barrel, so it is an example of a recoil-operated pistol in which both sights are firmly fixed to a fixed barrel.
Jim
Jim
As already mentioned, most .380's like the Bersa Thunder 380 and the PPK are all fixed barrel. The Walther CCP in 9mm is also fixed with a delayed blow back design. A very nice gun that shoots really well. I saw the Cougar mentioned too but the Cougar (either Stoger or Beretta, same thing) is not a fixed barrel. It is a rotating barrel design and it's awesome. (I have 2 of them. )
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