Fixed barrel semi autos?
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Most 22's have fixed barrels, some of which have already been mentioned. I have a lot of them...
Non-22 auto pistols with fixed barrels I have:
Astra 600/43
MAB model D
Savage 1905
Mauser 1914
Colt 1903 hammerless
FN 1900
HK P7
Probably a few others...
The MAB P-15 has a purely rotating barrel vs. moving back/forth or up/down.
Non-22 auto pistols with fixed barrels I have:
Astra 600/43
MAB model D
Savage 1905
Mauser 1914
Colt 1903 hammerless
FN 1900
HK P7
Probably a few others...
The MAB P-15 has a purely rotating barrel vs. moving back/forth or up/down.
triumph666
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CZ82...Bersa Thunder 380...Walther P22 these are some of my fixed barrel guns and they shoot extremely accurate
another extremely accurate fixed barrel i have is a dunh dunh dunnah M11 lol
....well its super accurate when you lock it in a vise and pre aim it at target haha
another extremely accurate fixed barrel i have is a dunh dunh dunnah M11 lol
....well its super accurate when you lock it in a vise and pre aim it at target haha
.22 ruger 22/45
Shoots more accurate than any semi-auto pistol I've had, even though- all the rest of em are subcompact. cept my glock with 4.5 inch .357 sig barrel. Still, no pistol I have, or have seen in person, within 12-50 yards beats the fixed barrel Rugers.
Shoots more accurate than any semi-auto pistol I've had, even though- all the rest of em are subcompact. cept my glock with 4.5 inch .357 sig barrel. Still, no pistol I have, or have seen in person, within 12-50 yards beats the fixed barrel Rugers.
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As stated by kozak6, the Luger barrel does move rearward a little so it is not a fixed barrel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luger_P08_pistol
http://www.lugerforum.com/
The Astra Constable II 380 has a fixed barrel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luger_P08_pistol
http://www.lugerforum.com/
The Astra Constable II 380 has a fixed barrel.
marineimaging
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Is the fixed barrel more accurate?
I have been reading and reading and reading and I still don't see a solid answer yet. Are the fixed barrel guns more accurate than the floating barrel? CIP, the Beretta style fixed barrel.
I have been reading and reading and reading and I still don't see a solid answer yet. Are the fixed barrel guns more accurate than the floating barrel? CIP, the Beretta style fixed barrel.
Jim Watson
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The Beretta barrel is not fixed either. It is not a Browning tilt-lock but it moves. It can be accurized to where it is as accurate as a good 1911 and is very competitive in CMP Service pistol competition. More accurate by design? No. A good one is quite accurate but an ordinary one is very ordinary.
It is difficult to make a like to like comparison. There are very few true "fixed barrel" centerfire autos, but several recoil systems with the barrel moving to some extent. I don't think it fair to compare a .22 to a service pistol.
The only fixed barrel centerfires seen in competition are the blowback .32s common in ISU/ISSF matches. They seem not to have caught on here, possibly because the NRA shoots at 50 yards, not just 25 meters.
Bruce Gray built a very few match grade H&K P7s that are very accurate. More accurate? Probably not.
As to the Luger, the barrel is fixed to the upper receiver, the assembly known as the "cannon." With the close fitting necessary to the whole design, they can be very accurate. One of the specs for the highly regarded Sig P210 was that it be as accurate as the Swiss Lugers it replaced. It is, but it is no better.
It is difficult to make a like to like comparison. There are very few true "fixed barrel" centerfire autos, but several recoil systems with the barrel moving to some extent. I don't think it fair to compare a .22 to a service pistol.
The only fixed barrel centerfires seen in competition are the blowback .32s common in ISU/ISSF matches. They seem not to have caught on here, possibly because the NRA shoots at 50 yards, not just 25 meters.
Bruce Gray built a very few match grade H&K P7s that are very accurate. More accurate? Probably not.
As to the Luger, the barrel is fixed to the upper receiver, the assembly known as the "cannon." With the close fitting necessary to the whole design, they can be very accurate. One of the specs for the highly regarded Sig P210 was that it be as accurate as the Swiss Lugers it replaced. It is, but it is no better.
Hi, Marineimagining,
The two issues are really not the same thing, which is one reason for confusion. Not all recoil operated guns have locked breeches; they could be operated by gas or by a delaying mechanism. The goal from a design standpoint is what is achieved - the delay in opening the breech until the pressure drops - not how that is done.
In theory, a fixed barrel gun would be more accurate than a gun with a moving barrel, but in practice the difference is often too small to matter, so the benefits of the locked breech, in terms of less mass or less expensive mechanism, will sometimes outweigh the problems.
Jim
The two issues are really not the same thing, which is one reason for confusion. Not all recoil operated guns have locked breeches; they could be operated by gas or by a delaying mechanism. The goal from a design standpoint is what is achieved - the delay in opening the breech until the pressure drops - not how that is done.
In theory, a fixed barrel gun would be more accurate than a gun with a moving barrel, but in practice the difference is often too small to matter, so the benefits of the locked breech, in terms of less mass or less expensive mechanism, will sometimes outweigh the problems.
Jim