First handgun - I guess I was born yesterday.

THeGAME101 said:
Brand new ones go for around the same price is what got my heckles up.
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They obviously have the internet where you are, you're on this forum!

It would seem that you did no research at all before you bought the pistol.

Just typing "SIG 2022" into Google gives you a page full of prices and places wanting to sell you a new 2022.

You would think that in the thousands of years that people have been buying and selling things, someone would have come up with a phrase or saying applicable to this situation.

If for nothing other than saving wear and tear on your heckles, you may want to look up the definition of "'Caveat Emptor" - it's been around for a while! ;)
 
It was a used pistol. Seven years is insignificant, really.

If it looks decent and functions well, don't worry about it.


I have semi-autos dating back to 1936, and other firearms dating back to at least 1905.

On the flip side .... the wear and tear side .... I have a Browning Buckmark with 129,000 rounds through it (solely in my family's hands). It may be 30 years old, but it looks lightly used. ...Because I take care of it and maintain it well.
If I sold that Buckmark to someone, I wouldn't even bother mentioning its round count. It would scare most people, unnecessarily. It still has enough life in it to outlive the average gun owner ten times over, and may even still be going strong when I kick the bucket.


Quality and condition are far more important than actual age.
 
Now here is the issue.
The Sig was manufactured in 2008 Ive found. No mention of this on the showroom floor.
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"New, old stock", is not a problem. It's not as if SIG is not going to support it.

If it's used, sold as new, that's a problem, and ethical lapse by the seller.

If it was sold as used, and you didn't notice it, that's your problem.

Anyway, it's used now, so there's not much point in examining it for signs of prior use.

It has the plastic guide rod. Ill have to take a better look at that.
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I have a couple pistols with plastic guide rods. It is not a problem. Resist the temptation to replace it with a metal guide rod.

Knowing you have just bought a 7yr old Sig, what would be your concerns with how it operates?
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I would have no concerns. Nothing about a gun like that is going to deteriorate from just sitting there. Congealed oil, maybe, but it should be cleaned and lubed per the manual before shooting it the first time, anyway.
 
It would seem that you did no research at all before you bought the pistol.
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That's what I'm reading too. If you had gone home after looking at it, and done your research then, you would know as much about it as you do now (including what tritium sights look like) but be in a position to make an offer for a price you'd be happier with. But as others point out, 7 years by itself means nothing except with respect to the tritium sights - and if you dig some more, you'll find that 7 years is about half of a half-life, so the sights were only a little bit brighter when it was new than they are now. I hope you weren't expecting backwards-pointing laser beams, they are supposed to be very faint in light and only really noticeable when it's dark.
 
Good purchase. So you didn't get a screaming good deal...it's no matter. Now you know. Oh, and go price extra mags for the SP2022...not cheap. And you got a case, too? $450 out the door is not terrible for a gun that you clearly like and enjoy shooting. If you'd ordered one online, you would have likely pain extra for shipping and an FFL P transfer fee...easily another $20-40. With good care, it'll live and function long after you're gone. And I think they're still sold with the plastic guide rod ...which I've felt no need to replace in mine. The "whitish" looking spring is also normal and likely is the factory original. No worries. Hope this helps.
 
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You seem to feel like you got reamed on the price, and I am not sure I agree.

If you bought new from Bud's you would today pay $459 for the pistol and $28 for a spare mag, total $487, plus transfer fee, which around here runs $30 to $40, so let's take the midpoint and call your total $522. So getting out the door for $450, assuming you to mean that to include tax and whatever background check fees you pay in that location, you got it for $72 below the new price. For a quality pistol in good condition, that isn't that bad. It isn't giving away the farm, but it isn't way out of line, either. Good pistols hold their value that way pretty commonly.
 
Washington is a very expensive state! I'm up in Seattle and there is a 10% sales tax up here, not sure how bad yours is but that's $50 on the price right there, and you got a spare magazine. Dead night sights are like a broken escalator, it's not broken it's temporarily stairs- or in your case regular 3dot (nail polish is a great addition, cyan or another neon color preferred imo).

It sounds like you got a pretty lame deal, but still cheaper than sticker if only by a bit. I got into shooting right before we passed the background checks for private sales and so I used to always buy used. Now I sometimes buy used but armslist is a lot less active. Anyways, used has always been expensive in Washington even in private sales. I saw a glock 17 "custom" for $800 on there the other day.
 
If it's in good shape f it shoots well (all of which I gather from your comments it is) . . . shoot it and enjoy it. If you're worried about what you paid for it . . . I'm not familiar with what they go for used. But, I do know this. At least half (if not more) of my handguns that I have, I purchased"used" - many of them "vintage' - 1920s to 1960s). Yea, I may have "paid a little more" than I should have . . . but the handguns work well and I love them. That's worth something.

Somewhere down the line, you'll run across another handgun that you want and you'll get it at what you figure is a "bargain" . . . one of those transactions that when you're done buying it, you turn and walk away with a big smile on your face and you say "Oh boy!". in the end, it all averages out.

Sounds like you got a nice shooter . , shoot it, ejoy it . . .then shoot it some more! :)
 
I'm not sure why the OP has a problem with the gun he purchased. It works; he knew it was used; even has night sights - a bonus. If he over paid for it, it sure wasn't by much. My advice - enjoy the gun!
 
If i thought the pistol had issues or if i wanted to be sure it did not, a simple (if costly) way to resolve all issues would be to box it and send it to Sig for inspection and refinish. Sure the OP would be adding to the cost but he seems dissatisfied with his purchase now. I would be less concerned with total $ investment just in being personally satisfied as my weapons are not for resale and profit.
 
:) THeGAME101 welcome aboard

I have a Colt made in 1918 and another made in 1920. No qualms about shooting them. My "new" Colt is a Series 70 made in '78. It will shoot all day. Not gonna break. I have two rifles from '43 and one from '44. They will outlive me.

I don't think twice about putting 200 rounds through my 1988 Sig P226 in an afternoon, either. However some older Sigs like mine need some roll pins changed out. I have another pistol that I have put about 14K rounds through.

That Sig of yours will stop working correctly before it comes apart in your face. I paid almost twice what you did for my Sig, although mine looks brand new and is one of the "ohmygod" West German examples. What a trigger that thing has, double or single action.
 
I've been buying at that shop for 30 years.

And am a satisfied customer. The gun prices are about the lowest in the Puget Sound area.

Sure, the owner is a bit opinionated at times, but in an honest way. Any testy comments from him are directed at the employees as he tries to get them to meet his high standards.

The gun is an excellent one and that price is A-O-K. I figure the gun sold for about $415 if he walked out with it after paying $450, with the previously mentioned sales tax being included.

If somebody mentions a lower price online, we have to add shipping, transfer fee, and the sales tax. Here in WA State (the good Washington) the Gov makes FFLs collect sales tax on the price of the gun as paid to the out-of-state seller. So the OP did OK, in my book.

Bart Noir
 
No rattle?

Question for the OP:

Did you say that the slide doesn't rattle, noticeably, on the frame? That's when it is shaken side to side.

On any 2022 I have seen, to include the one I bought, the slide is damn loose on the frame. And it doesn't make any difference to accuracy. I consider that to be a nicely accurate pistol.

So I am asking if yours is without rattle.

OBTW, that pistol is the latest standard handgun for the French military, although I don't know if they bought night sights. I believe I've read that such night sights are not allowed in the EU due to the tritium being radioactive.

Bart Noir
 
Once again, thanks guys..

Skans - Mostly its the age per price vs. new.
At the time of posting, I felt it was wrong to not detail and advise the product you are selling. Used car - ish. When I let them know the budget, they could have also suggested a new one. But my guess was get rid of used inventory first.

Im not sure I like that. At least I wouldnt do it, even more so with a first time customer I wanted to keep coming back. They didnt give the impression of trustworthy. It was more like they didnt really give two tin shatas if I came back or not, even with a problem since all used sales are final.

Feeling a lot better now though.
The only concern I have left is that what I say feels good and works and looks well comes from inexperience. If one of the more experienced members use it, what would be their opinion, and would I have been better off buying new and the gun be adjusted to me as opposed to who knows during that time. I just dont know yet.

Bart Noir- The slide does rattle if I shake it like a paint can. I have a military style low slung hip holster I used at the range. At no point did it rattle when drawing, loading, or in the process of usage. Checking to see after you mentioned it tonight was the only time Ive heard it.

BTW -
The amount in total was $508.06.
$463.99 plus $44.07 "tax".

New ones come with a case, and the extra clip was still within budget.
Ive used guns with new night sights, and these are dull, but functional. So far the night sights are the main reason, after playing with it for a few weeks, Im getting more comfortable about the price. But as said, I dont think they knew it had night sights. IMO, they took a trade or bought out a gun and threw it on the shelf.

All in all, I bought it, it fells good and operates to my inexperienced expectations. Trust and confidence is the issue now. Both in the gun and the seller. I feel better about the gun, but I think Ill go somewhere else for the seller.

Keep in mind, when I asked about 22lr HV rounds for a different rifle, they pushed Winchester XL's for a semi auto. In a store I owned, they would have to special order them if they wanted them. Total garbage except for specialized guns.

Limnophile - Bookmarked.
Thanks!
 
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I would not be concerned with age on quality firearms. So long as they have been properly cared for and maintained.

last year I spent $1000 on a very well used 2001 Beretta Over/Under shotgun. This gun was owned by an old skeet shooter that shot an average 200 rnds a week every week since it was purchased in 2001.

Averaging it out that comes out to around 100,000 shells put through it +/- 20,000.

Shooting sporting clays I put an additional 7000 rounds through it and a hammer broke, $40 part, no big deal.

Now I am not saying your sig will come close to being able to handle the amount of rounds a competition level over/under can easily put up with. But rather I am merely suggesting that the age and use of a firearm doesn't necessarily diminish its value that much if its been cared for properly.

I also don't think you should come on here bashing the shop because you didn't do your due diligence. They are in business to make money selling guns, not teach you everything about every gun they have when you ask a vague statement "I want something in X price range". There are many, many, many people out there that would rather buy a used firearm and be OTD at or around the sticker price of a brand new one. A penny saved is a penny earned and all that. Especially if the used gun comes with bonus items like mags, holsters etc. Guns have changed very little over the decades... heck, look at the 1911, any guesses as to how it got its name?

Also sig's aren't exactly junk guns, they would have easily move the 2022 to someone else, if not you.

If you are that unhappy with the gun because of its age though, take it back to the shop and express your interest to trade for something brand spanking new. If you play your cards right I am sure you could trade straight across for a HiPoint 9mm or even 45acp for no money out of pocket. Then you would have yourself a nice, new, never fired, lean, mean, bullet shooty machine... or something like that.
 
I try not to pay over 80% of NIB retail for an in production firearm I buy used in VG condition.
I value used mags at about 50%.
Holsters 20% unless I really want them.
Optics have no value unless I can box check them.

Not many sellers are interested in the prices I offer.

I see sig 2022 variants listed on Buds for anything from about $450 to over $600. I would expect them to be considerably more expensive at a local shop.
Is yours the cheapest variant or one of the more expensive? DOn't go to your local gun shop looking for a rock bottom deal.
 
Ok guys, this is where I let off a little steam.

I am really surprised at the comments that I shouldnt blame a dealer because I didnt know and they took advantage. Madoff is in jail for the rest of his life because of crap like that, and millions are taken for millions every year.

I have my assessment of this shop, and I will stick to it. You have to place trust in someone, sometime. Forums like these, I would hope anyway, are meant to give info and help on where to, and not to go. And when to put your guard up.

Yeah, I did not like my experience with Federal Way Discount Guns.
Going in there, be careful. Be it a firearm purchase, ammo purchase, or accessory. You can probably get it cheaper somewhere else regardless and with more integrity.

Dont let anyone ever tell you its your fault for putting faith in someone, even more so when you are paying for it. Just dont let it happen again when it goes wrong, and let other people know so they can be fore warned.

Thats all I have to say on this subject.
 
I like my 2022

We all have felt taken advantage of from sales associates, some people love to haggle over pricing and don't. You learned a valuable lesson, go look at a gun and then go home and try find a fair price by looking @ different resources and determining what You consider a fair price. The peoples opinions on all of these forums are only opinions and they should be taken with a grain of salt. If you feel like you were shafted, then you were shafted, say no to impulses, do your research and be prepared to walk away from the nice and shiny gun your looking at.
 
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