Fighting Back for our gun rights

fal308 - good job, I'm anxious to see the reply.

Jordan - I am not so much affronted by the law enforcement titles; I never really saw them as "exclusionary" (i.e. OK for cops but not civvies). If you wanted to target the law enforcement market, it seems you would lean the image in that direction. Just a thought...

How are we doing on the new list of companies that support anti-gun legislation? Anybody make any progress on capturing some existing research and posting it here?

MarkW - thanks for the link! How bout a thumbnail review of your site - any resources that the TFL folks might find useful?
Mike
 
Michelle and I offered to be acting webadmins for wagc.org site...they got back to us with a "maybe, probably" and we have not heard back from them yet.
 
Jordan,

First: Those titles are published by the same companies that publish the other gun mags too, so costing them money would be kinda like costing Colt money because you don't like 1911's and expecting it not to affect the cost of your next Sporter.

Second: I haven't put on any fatigues since I was in the army and I have never been issued a full-auto weapon.

Third: read pg 34 of April 1999 Guns & Ammo if you want to know how the average local LEO feels.

Cornered Rat:

Remember: The feds have all the good equipment. ;)
 
Rob:
Thank you for your response. Your first point is valid and well put. I wasn't aware of this and I'm sure you're right.

However, it does nothing to abrogate my concern or desire to express that concern to the publisher of those magazines. In fact it sharpens it! The bad laws that have placed these "special" weapons only in the hands of military and law enforcement are wrong. To perpetuate this fraud in popular print is wrong. I am not appeased simply because, elsewhere on the newstand, they've offered something like, "Guns and Ammo: Weapons Politically-Approved for Civilian Cosumption".

Your second and third points? I would love to share my rebuttal with you on e-mail to avoid cluttering, and robbing momentum from, Michael Marks' good thread.



[This message has been edited by Jordan (edited February 28, 1999).]
 
Jordan,
These are specialty magazines aimed at a particular audience. Just like the "civillian" gun magazines are aimed at hunters and shooters, These address topics of interest to police and military personnel.I don't wish to offend, but your view is like hating Hot Rod magazine simply because you are not a racer. Do you get my point?
 
OK, first lesson of a winning effort is team unity. When we have the mountain of anti-gunners like Sarah Brady off our backs, we can turn attention to the subtleties of titles among pro-gun magazines. I suggest we keep our eyes on the opponent and let those who are even remotely on our side go forward as they see fit.

Second, lets start migrating some of the data on some of these other threads to this website. It is good to drop a URL, but even better if you can capture, dehydrate and post some good, clean facts we can all get to at one point. That is how a progressive effort will pick up steam.

Looks like I will be speaking before the Maryland congress later this month defending 2nd Amendment and Concealed Carry. I'll keep everyone posted. Lets see if we can get some reserach on the TIME, Inc family, and the top five anti-gun newspapers in the USA. Who they are, complete dossiers on subsidiaries, and who is advertising in those publications. Any dope you get, condense and post here.
I am getting a steady flow of mail from folks willing to lend resources to this effort, so lets capture the momentum while it is hot.
 
If anyone would like to call HCI and request "tons" of information so you can pass it out (even if it is your dumpster), heres the numbers. The main number is good. Just tried.

HANDGUN CONTROL, INC. (HCI)

Headquarters:
1225 Eye Street, N.W.,
Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20005
Telephone: (202) 898-0792
Fax: (202) 371-9615

Regional Offices:
10951 W. Pico Boulevard
Suite 204
Los Angeles, CA 90064
(213) 446-0056
Fax: (310) 475-3147

114 Sansome Street
Room 802
San Francisco, CA 94104
(415) 433-3535
Fax: (415) 433-3357
 
Anti gun publications associated with HCI and other similar minded groups.

Capital Cities/ABC
Television Network
77 W. 66th Street
New York, NY 10023-6298
(212) 456-7777 •

Audubon Society
Audubon
950 Third Avenue
New York, NY 10022-2705
(212) 546-9100 •

Bell Atlantic-D.C.
2055 L Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
(202) 392-9900 •

Better Homes and Gardens
1716 Locust Street
Des Moines, IA 50309-3023
(515) 284-3000

•Blue Chip Stamps
15801 S. Eastern Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90040
(213) 720-4600 •

The Christian Publishing Society
The Christian Science Monitor
One Norway Street
Boston, MA 02115
(508) 586-6200 •

Columbia Broadcasting Service
CBS Television Network
51 W. 52nd Street
New York, NY 10019
(212) 975-4321 •

Corporation For Public Broadcasting/ PBS Television
1320 Braddock Place
Alexandria, VA 22314-1698
(703) 739-5000
(703) 739-0775 - Fax •

Cox Newspapers
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Credibank Towers, Suite 400
2800 Biscayne Blvd.
Miami, FL 33137
(305) 576-7678 •

Gannett News Service
USA Today
1000 Wilson Blvd.
Arlington, VA 22229
(703) 276-5806

•Johnson Publishing Company, Inc.
Ebony Magazine
820 S. Michigan avenue
Chicago, IL 60605-2190
(312) 322-9250

•Knight-Ridder Newspapers
Detroit Free-Press
321 W. LaFayette Blvd.
Detroit, MI 48231
(313) 222-6400
and
Miami Herald
One Herald Plaza
Miami, FL 33132-1683
(305) 350-2111

•McCall's Magazine
110 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY 10017-5603
(212) 463-1000

•National Broadcasting Company
NBC Television Network
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112
(212) 664-4444 •

Newsweek, Inc.
Newsweek Magazine
444 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022-6999
(212) 350-4000 •

The New York Times Corporation
The New York Times
229 W. 43rd Street
New York, NY 10036
(212) 556-1234

•Time Magazine
Time & Life Building
Rockefeller Center
New York, NY 10020
(212) 522-1212 •

Times-Mirror Corporation
The Los Angeles Times
Times Mirror Square
Los Angeles, CA 90053
(213) 237-3000 •

The Baltimore Sun
501 N. Calvert Street
Baltimore, MD 21278
(301) 332-6300 •

The Tribune Company
Chicago Tribune
435 N. Michigan Avenue
Chicago, IL 60611
(312) 227-3000

•Washington Post
1150 15th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20071
(202) 334-6000
 
Anti-Gun Corporations.

Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.
Bennett R. Cohen Chrm. & CEO
Rte. 100, Box 240
Waterbury, VT 05676
(802) 244-5641
Ice cream and frozen yogurt •

Carter Hawley Hale Stores, Inc.
Philip M. Hawley, Chrm. & CEO
444 South Flower Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071
(213) 620-0150
Retail clothing and accessories stores •

Crown Central Petroleum Corp.
Henry A. Rosenberg, Jr.
One North Central Street
Box 1168
Baltimore, MD 21203
(301) 539-7400
Refiners and marketers of petroleum products, convenience stores •

Hyatt Corporation
Jay Pritzker, Chrm. & CEO
200 West Madison
Chicago, IL 60606
(312) 750-1234
International hotels •

ICN Biomedicals
Adam Jerney, Chrm. & CEO
3300 Hyland Avenue
Costa Mesa, CA 92626
(714) 545-0113
Pharmaceutical products •

Cummins Engine Company, Inc.
Henry B. Schacht, Chrm. & CEO
500 Jackson Street
Box 3005
Columbus, IN 47202
(812) 377-5000
Diesel engines, related parts •

Clorox Corporation
Charles R. Weaver, Chrm. & CEO
1221 Broadway
Oakland, CA 94612
(415) 271-7000
Household cleaning products •

GEICO Indemnity Co.
One GEICO Plaza
Washington, D.C. 20076-0032
(301) 986-2500
Property Insurance

•MNC Financial, Inc.
Alfred Lerner, Chrm.
Ten Light Street
Box 987
Baltimore, MD 21203
(301) 244-5000
Commercial and consumer banking, financial services

•National Parks and Conservation Association
1776 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
(800) 628-7275 •

Hechinger Company
John W. Hechinger, Chrm.
1616 McCormick Drive
Landover, MD 20785
(301) 341-1000
Lumber and building supply retailer •

A & M Records
Al Cafaro, Chrm. & CEO
595 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
(212) 826-0477
Record Production, Entertainment •
Southland Corporation
Masatoshi Ito, Chrm.
2711 North Haskell Avenue
Dallas, TX 75221
Convenience stores •

Stoneyfield Farms Yogurt.
Mr. Gary Hirshberg, CEO
10 Burton Drive
Londonderry, NH 03053
(603) 437-7594
Yogurt •

Rolling Stone Magazine
Jann Wenner, Chrm. & CEO
745 5th, Avenue
New York, NY 10151
(212) 758-3800 •

Time Warner Inc.
Gerald M. Levin, Chrm. & CEO
75 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10019
(212) 484-8000
Publishing, film and music recordings
•Working Assets
Peter Barnes, Founder
701 Montgomery Street
San Fransisco, California 94111
(415) 788-0777
Long distance telephone service

•The Walt Disney Company
Michael Eisner, Chrm. and CEO
500 S. Buena Vista St.
Burbank, Califonia 91521
(818) 560-1000
Entertainment conglomerate
 
Received a reply from Avery.

"Avery Denison does not have any specific corporate policy or stance relating to firearms and firearms laws. Employees are not permitted to carry firearms anywhere near our offices or manufacturing facilitites(sp) for obviuos reasons. However. that is the extent of any "formal" policy or stance.

I hope that this answers your question. If I can be of further assistance, please advise.

Edie Burge
Director of Communications"

Sounds as if there is an unwritten rule in place. Am thinking of replying to the "for obvious reasons" wording, asking for clarification.
 
One of my friends, when told that such-and-such company is anti-RKBA, always asks for original sources. Newsgroups or forums aren't. How do we know about Ben and Jerrie's, for example?

Thank you.

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Even when the fight is lost, take some with you.
http://ddb.com/RKBA
 
I love seeing great ideas being formulated!!!
Im going to the Supermarket today and sending inevery damn anti-gun magazine subscription card I can find.

Just thought of something, though. Do any of you think maybe we should keep some of our ideas, such as requesting fliers and such from anti-gun groups, a little less public? We wouldn't want "the enemy" to find out about our wonderful plans, would we? Maybe we could communicate some of our more revolutionary or devious plans through e-mail to keep it a little more secret. Well, just a thought, keep up the good work!
 
Dear Friends, At least those of us over 50, do not forget AARP. They are very, tres, mucho, mui anti gun.

They all must learn.

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Ne Conjuge Nobiscum
 
Received the reply to my clarification:
"You had asked me to expand on my statement that'Employees are not permitted to carry firearms anywhere near our offices of manufacturing facilities for obvious reasons.' My point in stating that this was for 'obvious reasons' was that the company does not want employees to carry firearms around other employees since this has the potential to make people feel uncomfortable. Additionally, it is not a safe practice.

I hope that this answers your question.

Regards,

Edie Burge
Director of Communications"
 
Being a former practitioner and current lover of guerrilla tactics, I LOVE THIS! I'm in, boys. Lets hit em where it hurts em most--the pocketbook! --01paw
 
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