FFL who abused your held gun. What to do?

Yesterday I received twelve firearms:
-Eight had invoices, packing slips or receipts INSIDE the box with no customer name on the outside.
-Two (both from Bud's) had a packing slip on the outside with the buyers name and phone#.
-One (from a large Sig dealer) had an invoice...........but it didn't have any information on the customer....just my name and address....I have no idea who bought this gun.
-One had no information at all. No FFL. No buyers name. Nothing. Fortunately it's a pretty odd gun and I was able to run down the buyer in about five minutes.

Guess how many boxes didn't need to be opened?;)
 
One had no information at all. No FFL. No buyers name. Nothing. Fortunately it's a pretty odd gun and I was able to run down the buyer in about five minutes.
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Ah, mystery guns. How I detest them. I've had guns show up with no documentation other than "Bob Smith, [illegible scrawl], [maybe "Dalls?"], TX" scrawled in the return address field. I can't even properly log that onto the books, nor do I have any way of contacting the sender.

(This is why many dealers refuse shipment from unlicensed individuals.)

As for Bud's, I had a Ruger rifle shipped in last week that was labeled .308 on the box but actually turned out to be chambered in 7mm-08. I've had two instances in the last six months from them in which the serial number on the invoice was incorrect.

CDNN has sent invoices that have nothing in common with the contents of the box.

Those situations are actually real problems for a dealer from a record-keeping standpoint.
 
Tom Servo ....(This is why many dealers refuse shipment from unlicensed individuals.)
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99% of my mystery guns come from FFL's.



carguychris Just out of curiosity, what does a dealer do from a record-keeping standpoint if the sender CANNOT be identified?
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I don't transfer the firearm. (the buyer knows who he bought it from)

I've had a gun sit in my safe for a month because there was no buyer information in the box. I Googled the pawnshop that shipped the gun and guess what............phone was disconnected. Yelp showed them to be out of business. I wonder why.
 
I worked two FFLs, one low volume, one not so much. Anything that came in was opened and logged in, no exceptions. ATFE has NO sense of humor.
To the OP - the guns on the shelf/in the back room were not to be played with in any way shape or form. Guns ON the shelf could be handled to demonstrate to a potential customer, but guns in the back were not if the customer liked what he saw, but wanted one that hand't been handled. Guns owned by a customer at the store were NOT to be touched by any employee except the gunsmith or the manager. In the situation you describe, "Delay", the firearm in question would have been placed back into it's box, sealed with a copy of the receipt attached, in the back on the "Customer Shelf"...and there it would have stayed for the three day time limit. I would never ever use that shop again, and if the owner doesn't make it right, let us know who it was. Very sorry this happened to you, hope it all works out for the best.
 
99% of my mystery guns come from FFL's.
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Huh. I'm the opposite. I suppose it depends on market.

I have had to do the whole Sherlock Holmes thing with unprofessional dealers. Apparently, it's the 8th labor of Hercules to drop a receipt and copy of an FFL in the box. I do so love it when I call them and get a message saying they're only open from 1-2 PM every third Thursday. Even better are the ones who don't even have voicemail, email, or fax. It's 2014, folks!

(The absolute worst trouble I've had with this has been with machine guns. The small dealers are often woefully clueless and difficult to reach.)

Just out of curiosity, what does a dealer do from a record-keeping standpoint if the sender CANNOT be identified?
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There's not much. I put a note on it indicating the situation in case of an audit, but I can't transfer it out if I can't log it in. Usually, the purchaser will get incensed enough to contact the sender.

In other cases, I've threatened to turn the guns over to local law enforcement, in which case they're pretty much gone. That seems to get people on the stick.
 
can the gun be refusd by the buyer in texas

After reading through this, was the buyer able to refuse the gun?

Is there a point in the paperwork to stop before actually taking possession that protects you? I have never had a problem, but I was always shown the gun I was buying and it didn't leave my sight through the rest of the process. The store employees seemed to make an effort not to touch the guns.

This is why I don't buy things over the internet unless there is no other option.
 
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