felons

Should people that were convicted of non-violent felonies still be able to own guns?

  • yes

    Votes: 102 73.9%
  • no

    Votes: 36 26.1%

  • Total voters
    138
I have a friend in prison, convicted of a violent felony. He stole a purse from a lady’s shopping cart while she was loading groceries into her van. He rode by in a vehicle, as she turned away to place a bag in the back of her van, he pulled closer to the cart where her purse was sitting in the “child seat”, picked the purse out (with out leaving his vehicle), and drove away. He made no physical contact with her person, or her vehicle. The state convicted him of a (I think it was called) “strong-armed robbery”. Even though there was no physical contact or direct/indirect threat of violence, I believe I was told the classification of “violent felony” was due to his use of a vehicle in the commission of the crime. He was stealing this money to fund his drug addiction.

As a friend, I was almost relieved he went to prison. I felt this may be the only way he’ll stop using drugs.

He has chosen to rehabilitate himself. He's been in for over 6 years. In that time he's taken advantage of every rehabilitation program offered. He has obtained a 4-year degree (paid for by his family - not tax payers). He's remained on the "honor tier" for 5 & 1/2 years (this is a tier set aside for "model" prisoners).

At a recent hearing, the judge said to him "You have done what we the court hope everyone will do when sent to prison. You've chosen a better path, on your own." That’s pretty much word for word.

When he gets out, I believe he should be allowed to own firearms. His debt should be considered paid and rights restored.

Although I'm biased in my friend’s case, I would respect anyone who chooses to rehabilitate him or herself. I would want them to have all of their rights restored when released as well.
 
I would agree that after a period of time after being back in society there should be a mechanism where he could apply for his firearm rights back.
 
"I would agree that after a period of time after being back in society there should be a mechanism where he could apply for his firearm rights back."

There is such a mechanism. He can petition the court to have his civil rights restored. As I understand it, a released convict who really does turn his life around and can prove that he has been on the straight and narrow has a good chance of success.

Tim
 
I am for stiffer penalities for violent crimes. Much Stiffer. Having said that once a person pays their debt to society their rights should be restored.
 
it just does not feel right that a guy/girl gets out of state prison and walks down to the gun store and purchase a gun...That just plain gives me the hee bee jee bees.
I am much more heebie jeebied about the chronic speeder or mass reproducer(male or female) having a gun they are proving that their irresponsibility daily.
I was also told when I lived in Florida that if a neighbor calls about a domestic dispute, even if the woman never once claims she was struck, the man will still be arrested (I have no idea if that's true or not, she may have been making it up to scare her husband).
Capt Charlie already said it but. There is no automatic arrest on a DV call especially where there are no scars marks or bruises or other evidence of violence including name calling.
If it's a heated argument it is suggested that one or the other leave for the night.
If it is a loud discussion it is suggested that you keep it down and don't make them come back.
If your wife calls in because you are smoking in the house you usually just end up having a long uncomfortable discussion with the cops avoiding obvious words like crazy, stupid, FOB and of course bitch (that's a DV charge in Fla.)
 
mere words can classify as domestice violence?
Yep they even have a pamphlet, printed in the relevant languages of the area, that they pass out.

It is so effective that my immigrant wife called the police on me for smoking inside
 
Wow! That's pretty stiff, Joab! In Ohio, DV is usually a 1st degree misdemeanor (can go up to a felony if the conditions for felonious assault apply, i.e., serious physical injury and/or a weapon involved), but if verbal threats of violence (I'll beat your a**, I'll kill you, etc.) are made, an arrest can be made on a 4th degree misdemeanor, which is one step up from a speeding ticket.
 
To be fair I don't know anyone that's ever been convicted of DV for telling his wife off, but I have heard of it being used to take a guy in when a complaint was made of a loud argument going on.

It's just an emotional abuse specification taken beyond it's intended purpose.

Not working diligently to get your wife her green card falls into that category also.
The mail order bride organizations teach them that.
They don't get sent back if they divorce you for abuse.

But that's a whole nother topic, sorry to divert from the original.

But it does go to show that there are more ways to lose your guns than by outright confiscation
 
You know what I don't understand.

WHERE IN THE HECK DOES IT SAY THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY AS A PEOPLE TO TELL OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEIR LIVES AREN'T WORTH CRAP AND THAT WE WILL TELL THEM WHAT THEY CAN, AND CAN NOT DO IN ORDER TO PROTECT THEMSELVES!

Okay, what I am saying is that it's the feely touchy judiscial(sp) system that allows the violent criminals to walk out with a nothing sentence. If they are that violent, then they should be in jail for life since they do create a safety issue on society.

Yet for those that get out, why are we now the "elitist" that demand that they stay "non" Americans? Until the "enlightened" 20th century, when a man/women walked out of jail/prison they were given back everything, including their guns.

Could it be that gun owners are really closet "elitist"? That since we can't hold the power of the government that we use the laws to enable that we can at least demand and force another to do what we would rather do on a larger scale if we were in politics?

Makes one really wonder. It really does.

It all boils down to the "security over Rights" (see, our Forefathers were very intelligent). You and the anti's favor your feeling of "security" over the Rights of American's. So in essence, because the "felon" (which is so over the board now, I think that we all could be felon's under some law) made a mistake, and is now out, that you would take away their Rights as an American just so you can feel safe.

Quite honestly, this attitude sickens me. Tell me that I'm wrong. And please don't say that "because they MAY do something", that is classic anti BS. They want to ban all our guns, and nice looking rifles, because of what we MAY do with them.

Please, someone make the agruement, a real one, why people that have served their time is 1) Less able to protect themselves, 2) Are now "non" American's, and 3) Why you think that you have the right to declare or force them to bow down to your thinking.

Wayne
 
Rich, these links may make it easier to understand why people fear for their gun rights over an accusation of domestic violence in a society where a simple restraining order, given without due process, can prevent one from purchasing guns. Outcomes of a domestic abuse charge might be plea bargained or not contested and still stand. I can easily see that some people would sign a consent decree to stop from being chewed on by the sort of person these article describe.

WARNING. The second article will scare the tar out of you if you really read it! :eek:

http://www.bpd411.org/persuasiveblamers.html
http://www.continuingedcourses.net/...hp?PHPSESSID=71c9cc5d1e43688fc4f4dd05e593713f
 
M&M-
I'm confused...or, perhaps, you are.

Have I ever stated that people accused of Domestic Violence should be stripped of their 2nd Amendment Rights.
Pray Tell....when did I ever state that?
Rich
 
Those of you favoring the denial of Second Amendment rights to felons had better be careful, lest you hand the anti-gun crowd the tools for your disarmament.

If this many "gun people" support taking guns from felons, the gun banning crowd won't have to bother re-interpreting the Second Amendment anymore. Militia versus Citizen, collective versus individual right...it all won't matter worth a damn, because all they have to do to make the Second Amendment irrelevant is to make as many things as possible into felonies.

I personally think that the denial of firearms rights to felons is a purely emotional argument, and one that is logically inconsistent to boot. This from the crowd who routinely accuses the other side of favoring emotion-based legislation....tsk, tsk.

A felon who wants to do evil will always find a way to get a gun. A felon with no intention to relapse is not a threat with or without a gun, and there is no moral ground for denying him the right to defend himself and his family. Unless you want to argue that ownership of a firearm makes one somehow more prone to criminal activity, that is.
 
In some States a second or third DWI is a felony or can be. I think a case review or a judgment on a case by case basis should be done for non-violent felonies.
Here is my present situation right now because of these idiotic gun laws/regulations. I purchased one gun two weeks ago, no problem as I expected none. I bought one here about 12 years ago, no problem. I have owned guns most of my life, no problem. I go to pick up my XD compact 9 and they said I did not clear the check! I think, WTF? So I ask WHY. I had to make tons of long distance calls and a certified fax to find out the reason. It is from a felony arrest (non-violent) in 1975. Of course I was innocent and the charges were dropped and the guilty party pleaded guilty. Now I am still waiting for the gun. I also had to pay to get the proof of dismissal if this ever comes up again and they said that will never come off my record. It is so old it is not even in their computer system. They have to look it up on micro-fish. :mad:
 
It really depends on the nature of the offense. I don't really think someone convicted of a violent crime should be able to own a gun. But then again, most of the people I'm talking about shouldn't have been released in the first place. I guess I'm saying that a felony shouldn't disqualify you from owning a gun but that sentances for violent crimes should be tougher (this includes eligability for parole).
 
Definitely yes. Limitation of the basic right can provoke the feeling "I'm against them". Legal arms posession means that the society gave a credit.

As for real criminal, does anybody suppose he'll have any difficulty to find any kind of weapon, including fully automatic?
 
Rich, I didn't say you'd said that. But I thought you'd be interested in the links. My mistake.

Though you might want to hang onto the second one to use for the next, "My Girlfriend is an Anti and I Want to Know IF I Should Marry Her" thread comes up. :eek:
 
another reason not to let them out....at all
Ummmm, once they've done their sentence, how do you separate "them"?
But for the Grace of God....and one tiny misstep, "they" could include you, given today's morass of felony laws.
Rich
 
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