Feinstein's Bumpfire Ban Bill

I write my reps all the time. I comment on such things to major newspapers and magazines. Sometimes I get the comment in print or reasonable replies even from negatively oriented authors. Don't rant and be professional.

I testified to the TX legislature and got in the papers in our major cities and on TV!
 
This is something that really bothers me because these people are voting for things that effect the entire state . Shouldn't they all have to listen to everyone in the state if what they are about to vote on effects everyone in the state ?
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I think you are looking at it a little wrong. The whole point of having districts and different representatives is so that each can focus on the people they directly represent. Its not the job of the next district's representative to listen to you, that your district representative's job. They might not do it well, but it is their job,
 
I would accept prohibiting the importation of bumpstocks. Let's keep the manufacturing, and the profits, close to home. As others have suggested, I would want something in return. I have no interest in them myself. It looks like a good way to ruin a nice firearm.
 
Let's be realistic.
1. Once a right limiting gun law is passed on a fed level that is the end of that. Im not aware of one single fed gun law ever being negotiated and repealed or made less restrictive after it was passed unless it had a sunset clause when passed.

TX is unique. And like it or not TX would not have open carry now if not for the so called rifle toting idiots

One step back is just that. One step back and nothing more.

Not one more darn inch.

Write your reps. call, etc.

Make plain the NRA does not speak for most gun owners. And any vote for anything gun related, including National Reciprocity , except repeal of gun regulations, will earn them a one way ticket to the nearest exit of their office.

No negotiations, no compromises, only repeal. From now on. Period.
 
And like it or not TX would not have open carry now if not for the so called rifle toting idiots
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While I don't disagree with your characterization of at least some of the OCT activists, the rest of the quote is not at all realistic.

Open Carry was set to pass in TX regardless due to groundwork by the TSRA; in fact, before all the idiocy started, there were even permitless open carry bills submitted which had a good chance of passing. Even a year before the 2015 legislative session, the TSRA had made it clear that open carry was one of their priorities and the TSRA is a very effective organization when it comes to getting legislation passed.

Once the idiots started doing their thing, the permitless option was pretty much off the table and even support for the permitted open carry bills decreased. Some of the activities/demonstrations that took place were so obviously ill-advised that there were some in the gun community who questioned whether these "rifle toting idiots" might actually be undercover anti-gunners.

In just a few months they managed to produce more negative local media coverage of firearms in TX than I had seen in years.
Make plain the NRA does not speak for most gun owners.
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While this is probably true, it isn't likely to be true in the way you think it is. Given that there are likely in the neighborhood of 100 million gun owners in the U.S. and only 5 million NRA members, it seems much more likely that "most gun owners" feel that the NRA is too extreme and needs to take a softer stance.

Firearms enthusiasts sometimes have a tendency to believe that they represent firearms owners as a whole. The fight for gun rights would be a LOT simpler if the average gun owner had the same views as the average firearm enthusiast.
 
Gee - I'm glad that got all those 30.07 signs! Some of them were generated specifically by the Chipolte Twins and their fellow travelers poisoning the well. Without the show, we might not have seen those signs. I know several businesses that were moved to go to 30.07 as they thought the rifle dudes were idiots and didn't want to risk similar displays from handgun carriers.
 
That the NRA had a fraction of gun owners/carriers as members is because they are to hardline is an opinion geared to defend a gun rights org that actively has helped pass anti gun laws.

Judging by the current backlash at their wishy washy stance that brought on all this mess of proposed gun regulations, and the number of members that a cursory skimming of gun related sites shows has had it with them and are leaving them for more hardline orgs, that defense of the NRA seems a bit far fetched.

The NRA has mostly hunters and gamers as members. And instructors.

I once long ago before I understood what the NRA is was a member.

There is a reason most folks who own guns and know they have a right to carry them uninfringed aren't members of the nra.
Looking at real world reaction of most gun owners to them and their comments about them it ain't because they are to hardline.
If they get any softer they will melt.
 
Hunters and sportspeople are enemies on our side. They are the ones that show up in interviews admonishing semi-auto-military-grade-assault-rifles and the clip magazines that go with them. I was one of those guys.

Gun rights have been assigned to the political right, but it also gives the opposition something to use. Any issue that has a political side to it will remain an issue because politicians can get mileage out of it.
The issues of today were issues 16 years ago, they will remain to be issues 16 years into the future and will never get fully resolved. Not only guns.
It’s a bit different in this cycle, seems to be a lot of desperation out there; more people are looking for government issued happiness, inversely more people are looking to divorce themselves from government intrusion into private lives. People in the middle are just shaking their heads. The pendulum is swinging our direction still and these bills won’t gain much ground on the national stage. When it swings back in the other direction, look out.
The whole point of these bills is to set things into the voter’s memory for when conditions are more ripe to get some traction.
 
...the number of members that a cursory skimming of gun related sites shows has had it with them and are leaving them for more hardline orgs...
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Logically speaking, if the average gun owner sees the NRA as not hardline enough then we should expect to see these hardline organizations being supported more strongly than the NRA. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Those "hardline orgs" that are supposedly so appealing to the millions of gun owners in the U.S. have membership figures a fraction of the size of the NRA. Obviously the "hardline" organizations have far less appeal to the average gun owner than the NRA does.

100 million gun owners - 5 million NRA members - 1.5 million (claimed) GOA members.

Those numbers contradict the theory that the NRA appeals less to the average gun owner than the "hardline" organizations like GOA do.

Virtually every person I know is a gun owner and yet few of them have any strong interest in gun rights and many have a tendency to go whatever direction the wind (media) blows them. Firearm enthusiasts tend get wrapped up in their small community and lose track of what's going on in the real world.
 
"100 million gun owners - 5 million NRA members - 1.5 million (claimed) GOA members."

That sounds to me like the average gun owner just simply isn't truly represented. It isn't that the NRA is all that popular or that most people gravitate toward other orgs. It's more that none of the current choices match what the vast majority of the people want or believe in. It all quite clearly screams how completely out of touch the orgs are. Personally, I think the money and the power have gone to their heads. There is a disconnect between the NRA and the people. For many, this could easily 'look' just like the disconnect that so obviously exists between Washington and the rest of the country.
 
Glenn E. Meyer said:
Gee - I'm glad that got all those 30.07 signs! Some of them were generated specifically by the Chipolte Twins and their fellow travelers poisoning the well. Without the show, we might not have seen those signs. I know several businesses that were moved to go to 30.07 as they thought the rifle dudes were idiots and didn't want to risk similar displays from handgun carriers.
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It wouldn't surprise me if there were cases where the anti-gunners open carried in an obnoxious way to help shore up their cause :)
 
JohnKSa said:
Once the idiots started doing their thing, the permitless option was pretty much off the table and even support for the permitted open carry bills decreased. Some of the activities/demonstrations that took place were so obviously ill-advised that there were some in the gun community who questioned whether these "rifle toting idiots" might actually be undercover anti-gunners.
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This.
 
At this point in time, I am about 98% sure that there will be no federal ban on semi-auto rifle features. I think that the ATF is going to say that thier original interpretation of the law as it pertains to bump stocks is valid and legislation is necessary to alter it.

And by then Congress will have moved on from this such that there isn't enough momentum to get Republicans on board.....I will be an election issue in 2018 in some states, but otherwise the time has likely already passed for any action to have taken place.

And the folks on gun broker who paid $1,000 for a $100 bump stock are going to have some serious buyers remorse

However, I don't think that they will be manufacturing many of them in the near future so the price may plateau above where they were this summer
 
I agree but unfortunately any progress on undoing state bans and breaking the hold on carry in the anti states isn't going to happen. SCOTUS and Congress won't go near those.
 
Prndll said:
It isn't that the NRA is all that popular or that most people gravitate toward other orgs. It's more that none of the current choices match what the vast majority of the people want or believe in... There is a disconnect between the NRA and the people.
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What beliefs or desires do you feel are not being represented by the NRA (or GOA, JPFO, etc.)?

Regarding the 100m gun owners vs. 5m NRA members figure, IMHO this figure in itself does not prove that the NRA is somehow not doing an adequate job. Most people who nominally support particular political viewpoints do not join voluntary organizations to support those viewpoints. For comparison, I bet that if you looked at the number of Americans who identify themselves as nominal supporters of protecting the environment, and compared that number to the membership roll of the Sierra Club, you would find an even larger "gap" than for the NRA. (FWIW the Sierra Club is one of the few non-religious, non-charitable U.S. advocacy organizations with membership numbers that approach the NRA.)
 
I agree but unfortunately any progress on undoing state bans and breaking the hold on carry in the anti states isn't going to happen. SCOTUS and Congress won't go near those.
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I agree, and its a shame too. Removing the tax on suppressors would not only make them $200 cheaper, but it would likely drop the price on all suppressors as they would become much more main-stream and mass produced...further there would become more options of integrally suppressed pistols and rifles if the tax and NFA status were removed.

But alas, this event may not result in any additional restrictions, but will likely curtail the removal of existing restrictions.
 
"Why should they be??"
If gun owners (atleast in general) can't find adequate representation in the NRA then there is no point to the NRA. Why should I give my money to someone that will use it to very publicly side with the Clintons/Fienstien/Pelosie?

"What beliefs or desires do you feel are not being represented by the NRA (or GOA, JPFO, etc.)?"
You can't claim to protect the second and at the same time lend aid and comfort to people that will give the store away.

Cars for freedom? Sounds like cash for clunkers to me.

Show me the public support for Trump (or atleast his stated goals). How about cars for a wall? Show me pushback. There is no give-and-take with these people. They must be defeated. The NRA has the power and plenty of force but just like the rest of the republican party, they are too scared to use it. These games that people play are wasting time and will cost us dearly. I suspect that it's all so engrained for being like this for so long that no one even thinks about it anymore. All anyone cares about is bump-stocks! Without any understanding that it's just a made-up construct from Clinton/Feinstein. They needed an excuse and the NRA was all too happy to comply.
 
If gun owners (atleast in general) can't find adequate representation in the NRA then there is no point to the NRA.
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Just what is it that you think the NRA is, or ought to be???

because from the tone of your remarks, you don't understand what the NRA actually is.

Why should I give my money to someone that will use it to very publicly side with the Clintons/Fienstien/Pelosie?
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Just where do you think the NRA did that???

There is no give-and-take with these people. They must be defeated.
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I agree, there is no give with the gun banners, only take. And they must be stopped.

The NRA has the power and plenty of force but just like the rest of the republican party, they are too scared to use it.
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So, you consider the NRA to be a part of the Republican party??
If so, you've "drunk the Kool-Aid" of the enemy, and are already thinking like they want you to think.

The NRA was created (in 1871) to promote marksmanship and firearms safety. THAT is the mission, the original mission, and if the gun ban people magically went away tomorrow, the NRA would happily go back to focusing all their effort on that mission.

The NRA wasn't created to represent every gun owner in the political arena. And, it wasn't until it was clear that there was no one else to step up, that the NRA became politically active (within the law), to represent its MEMBERS.

Don't think the NRA is relevant?? Don't think they are doing enough, or doing the right thing?? JOIN, become a voting member, and you will have a voice. USE that voice to get the organization to do what you think is the best course.

UNTIL THEN, STOP Whining about the NRA! Because every gun owner who has benefited from what the NRA has done without being a member, or without contributing anything, has been getting a free ride that NRA members have been paying for.

Simply put, if you don't own the bus, and you aren't even chipping in for the gas, you don't get to drive, or pick the route.
 
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