Feds pursue case Indian who shot bald eagle

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Actually when it comes to law applying to indian lands it is the federal law that applies and not the stae law in which the reservation is located. We live right next to a res and the laws that apply to us DO NOT apply to them for the most part. We get a dozen incidents a year of uninsured indians hitting and killing another motorist and nothing ever happens to them. as long as they can get back to the res without getting caught they get off scot free.

SW
 
Wow, some interesting legal dynamics! I guess I haven't researched or thought about it much. Definitely interesting. :cool:
 
US Federal Law does apply on Tribal Trust Land, state law does not.

Another little known, and often argued fact, non-tribal peace officers can and do make arrests on tribal lands. For a non tribal officer to lose usrisdiction, the crime must be committed by an indian, victimizing an indian, on indian trust land. Throw a non-tribe member or his land anywhere in the mix, and the Tribe loses sole jurisdiction.

You would be amazed how often I hear "You cannot arrest me, I am Chickasaw, and we are on Chickasaw property." I hate to explian to them that Trust land and Tribe-owned land are two completely different things.
 
Well, They are talking about the lower 48. Last time I went to Dutch Harbor, Alaska they were as thick as seagulls. Maybe thats were the rest of them come from....
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A little further south on Vancouver Island BC, everytime I went to the local lanfill there was probably a couple dozen mixed full grown and juvenille Eagles... They waited for the "gut truck" from the local fish processing plants... easy pickings leads to a growing population.
 
The case has more significance . If you find an eagle feather on the ground DON'T pick it up .If you are found with it you'll have a problem. There was an indian woman who was making things from eagle feathers which she picked from a gae at a zoo. The eagles had shed them. The Gov't went after her !!
 
I really don't understand what the big deal is. Funny part is that many conservatives complain about all the things done to protect the spotted owl but don't know one dare harm our good ole bald eagle.

It's a bird. Birds die out. Maybe the bald eagle was meant to die out just like the spotted owl.
 
It's a bird. Birds die out. Maybe the bald eagle was meant to die out just like the spotted owl.
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Would like to know your source of the Spotted Owl info?

I've seen two the last 18 months or so, one in old growth and one where nothing was over 30 or 40 years old.

Have a relative that their job at the time was to go out at night with a tape recorder to find Spotted Owls. Her quote on that was " It was a joke".
I have no data to support this but isn't it kinda a know fact that the spotted owl controversy was a tree hugger ploy to halt logging?

I see more blad eagles every year in this area.
 
Downes said in his ruling last month that the government’s actions have shown “callous indifference” to American Indian religious beliefs.
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No kidding. US government outlawed the Sun Dance around 1880. Most of the sacred places have been taken away. And it continues. Matt Mead, born and raised in Jackson Hole and grandson of former WY senator and governor Cliff Hansen, must be contemplating running for political office.
 
Would like to know your source of the Spotted Owl info?
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:confused: source for what? my point was that maybe the spotted owl and the bald eagle are not strong enough animals to survive the natural selection process. species die out every day. extinction happens all the time. we can't save everything because not everything is meant to be saved and I don't see why the bald eagle is more special than any other bird just because America chose it as the national bird. that does not give it any more right to be protected than any other dying species, imho
 
Me, too, unless the poacher offered to add the bird to my Spotted Owl stew.
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When is the great TFL picnic? I have a few pesky Red Tailed Hawks and a couple Barn Owls who terrorize my chickens I would like to add to that pot.;)
 
You would be amazed how often I hear "You cannot arrest me, I am Chickasaw, and we are on Chickasaw property." I hate to explian to them that Trust land and Tribe-owned land are two completely different things.
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Not trying to jack the thread, but this brings up a fond memory:

One night, I responded to a call for a roadside from Pierce County Sheriff's Dept. Seems that two of our Tribal members decided to do a beer run--walk into a store (Safeway), grab as much beer as they could carry, and haul rump.

Unknown to them, there were about 8 deputies outside in slicktops, staking out the place for a robbery ring. When they see our intrepid fellows hightailing it with the beer, they naturally are interested.

A quick pursuit follows--a nondescript but typical Rez rocket being followed by 5 CVPI's. The chase stopped when they pulled into the parking lot of a Tribal business. The deputies handcuffed them with verve and vigor, and seated them in the back of a transport unit. This was where they started wailing about being Puyallup natives on Tribal land.

So, I responded. After hearing about the incident from PCSO, I approached the transport unit. They hailed me:

"Hey, bro! These white fools arrested us illegally. We demand to go to Tribal jail."

Me: "Uh huh. You snatched beer from the Safeway, right?"

Them: "Yeah! But we're on Tribal land now. We demand our rights!"

Me: "You might be on Tribal property now, but you weren't when you snatched the beer. Oops!"

To the waiting Sheriff's deputies: "All yours, kind sirs. Have at them!"

Deputy: "But of course!"

There was wailing and gnashing of teeth as our two Tribal members proceeded to be guests of the Pierce County Jail for a long time.

Sincerely,

Powderman
Puyallup Tribal Police
 
When my friend started school in North Dakota he was told that if his truck got stolen he should look for it on the rez.

He was also told that if he were in a covered wagon and 4 or more indians approached on horses they were considered a "raiding party" and could legaly be shot. Not sure how much truth there is to that, but...
 
Not much truth to either, I'd suggest. Especially given the White Trash composition of North Dakota.

Why do you ask?
Are you one of them White Trash North Dakotan?


Great insight Mr. Lucibella - is this the type of comments you would refer to as "Raising the bar at TFL"?

12-34hom.
 
Just the opposite, Charlie. I'm just surprised it took someone this long to call me on it. Pretty insulting comment, no? It was provided as object lesson; as contrast, if you will, to rhgunguy's comments regarding North Dakota Indians.

Nobody likes to be stereotyped as Trash, directly or otherwise. The fact that you took (appropriate) issue with my statement is only unfortunate in relation to the fact that you didn't object to his preceding slur in your commentary.

See where I'm going? Of course, I don't believe the whites of North Dakota are all White Trash; nor do I believe the Indians are all car thieves and worse. And I suspect you agree with me on both counts.

Rich
 
Rich- no i dont live in north dakota. I used to and i couldnt get out of there fast enough. If you had categorized teh INDIANS of north dakota as trash i would have agreed with you. however painting the entire state with a wide brush as white trash is unfair.

As far as rhguys comments on vehicle theft IT IS USUALLY THE TRUTH. 81-82% of stolen vehicles in the state of ND (that are located) are either recovered from or located on (unrecoverable) the reservations. Numbers availble from the state auto theft dept (by snail mail) state this.

The comment about "raiding party" indians was an actual law in the area when it was still the dakota territories and not split into north and south.

As to you saying you dotn belive that "all north dakotans are white trash" your previous statements refute this. Im not trying to start a fight here either, but if you didnt actually belive this, why did you state it? You always try to remind us that our posts reflect our ideals and calling an entier state white trash without placing any context around it seems like you were either trying to instigate something or you let you true colors show through for a split second and now are trying to pull back from the brink.

SW
 
Rich, point well taken. I did not read [my bad] the other post you refer to.

When a person falls into that type of mindset - and statistical mumbo jumbo that goes with it.

If you had categorized teh INDIANS of north dakota as trash i would have agreed with you. however painting the entire state with a wide brush as white trash is unfair.

S.W. - WERE ALL AMERICANS - Do you not see that?

Words fail me.

12-34hom.
 
SW-
12-34hom got the context of my post. If you haven't, I can't help you.

Now, I'd like a source for your statement that, "81-82% of stolen vehicles in the state of ND (that are located) are either recovered from or located on (unrecoverable) the reservations." If it's only available by snail mail, please provide the source from which you learned that.
Rich
 
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