Feds pursue case Indian who shot bald eagle

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I thought about putting this in "The Hunt" - but I'm not convinced it's "hunting".

CHEYENNE, Wyo. - Federal prosecutors are appealing a judge’s decision to dismiss a case against an American Indian who shot a bald eagle for use in a tribal religious ceremony.

U.S. Attorney Matt Mead filed notice Wednesday that he will ask a federal appeals court in Denver to overturn U.S. District Judge William F. Downes’ dismissal of a case against Winslow Friday, 22, a Northern Arapaho Indian who acknowledged shooting a bald eagle in March 2005.

Friday could have been sentenced to up to a year in jail and a $100,000 fine if convicted.

Eagle feathers are a key element of ceremonies of the Northern Arapaho and many other tribes. Downes said in his ruling last month that the government’s actions have shown “callous indifference” to American Indian religious beliefs.

Friday’s lawyers argued that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service generally refuses to grant permits allowing tribal members to kill bald eagles, even though federal regulations say such permits should be available.

“It is clear to this court that the government has no intention of accommodating the religious beliefs of Native Americans except on its own terms and in its own good time,” Downes wrote.

Friday said in a telephone interview that other Indians complain that a federal repository that dispenses eagles killed by cars or power lines works too slowly and sometimes provides remains of poor quality. The judge said Friday’s tribe also argued that such birds are not considered “clean” for ceremonies, and that the hunting of a bald eagle is in itself a religious act.

“The way it was told to me, the eagle takes the prayers that we have here, takes them up to the creator,” Friday said. “That’s one main reason that we believe in it so much, it does that. It’s an offering — you want it to be nice.”

Large waiting list

More than 5,000 American Indians are on a waiting list to receive eagles from the National Eagle Repository in Colorado, according to U.S. Fish and Wildlife papers filed in Friday’s case. The agency gets only about 1,000 dead eagles per year, meaning applicants can expect to wait about 3½ years for an entire carcass to be sent to them, according to the court documents.

About 7,700 nesting pairs of bald eagles live in the lower 48 states, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service estimates. The species was reclassified from endangered to threatened in 1995.

Robert Rogers, Friday’s attorney, said he doesn’t think the ruling will allow American Indians to declare open season on the birds, but that the case highlighted problems they were having obtaining permits.

“If a person did not try to work with this permitting process that has now been outed, I think he might not succeed in this motion, and he would probably be convicted for doing the same thing,” Rogers said.

Attempts to reach Mead on Thursday and Friday were unsuccessful.
 
I have to wonder if the Native American in question ever actually applied for an eagle hunting permit or not.

I also wonder how he got caught. I find it hard to believe he poached one bird in such a sparsely inhabited state and it came to the attention of Federal agents.
 
I hate to say it but the game laws should be known (I'm not saying he didn't already know). Therefore he should be charged for the laws broken. If the judges rule to let him slide because it limits practice of his religion will that not open the doors for a muslim getting by with killing a christian because that is part of their religion?
 
I also wonder how he got caught. I find it hard to believe he poached one bird in such a sparsely inhabited state and it came to the attention of Federal agents.
Do ya, now? Suggest you head on up to the Idaho wilderness and quietly shoot yourself a wolf. I lay even money you'll get a knock on your door by week's end.

Fact is, FedGov has employees, agents and researchers studying all of these critters, pretty much non-stop. When one disappears, it's noticed.

On another note, somebody is telling us lies. Look at the article: .gov claims 14K Eagles in the lower 48, yet recovers 1K carcasses per year. That's one in 14. With a lifespan of 30 years, one might expect that less than 500 would die per year and something less than that be recovered. So, they're either jacking up the recovery numbers (unlikely) or lying about the population size. Nah, they wouldn't do that. Lemme check my math. ;)
Rich
 
I don't suppose it would be that hard to get caught shooting one as that is a slap in the face to anyone that is a citizen of the US of A. That is probably the ONE animal that if I knew who had poached one I would go OUT OF MY WAY to turn the poacher in.
 
Rich, you make an interesting point.

When I first came to Idaho in 1982, it was rare to see an bald eagle outside of the national forests. Sparse even there.

Today, we often have baldy's fly over our small town. There are known to be 15 nesting pairs along the Snake river from Minidoka wildlife refuge, south to Milner damn. Many more up in the Sublette range, the south hills, etc.

Like the wolves, I firmly believe they are understated by the reporting agencies. Evidence of this is that the Idaho F&G wants a hunting season on wolves. Their numbers dispute the federal numbers by a substantial margin.
 
Just a couple things I would like to bring to light:
The competing laws in the case were the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act versus freedom of religion under the First Amendment and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

Chris Schneider of the Baldwin & Crocker law firm in Lander -- which wrote a "friend of the court" brief in defense of Friday -- said the stage is set for a federal appeal which could take the issue to the U.S. Supreme Court for final resolution.

Schneider explained that Downes' ruling -- within the jurisdiction of the federal 10th Circuit -- is exactly opposite to an Arizona federal ruling within the jurisdiction of the 9th Circuit.

Stu Healy of the U.S. attorney's office acknowledged that there are conflicting rulings between the two circuits, but said it would be "very premature" to predict a Supreme Court showdown. He said Downes' ruling is under review by his office, and a decision will be made before the end of the month whether to appeal the case.

http://casperstartribune.net/articles/2006/10/18/news/wyoming/fea1e609a6029fda87257209007e9759.txt

It would be interesting to read the Arizona decision, which of course is not cited in the article, so some digging is required. As far as my opinion on the subject, the Federal Government makes some laws affecting only a few people without letting those people have a say in the matter. Federal wildlife management in WY is a very sore subject for a lot of folks.
 
On another note, somebody is telling us lies. Look at the article: .gov claims 14K Eagles in the lower 48, yet recovers 1K carcasses per year. That's one in 14. With a lifespan of 30 years, one might expect that less than 500 would die per year and something less than that be recovered. So, they're either jacking up the recovery numbers (unlikely) or lying about the population size. Nah, they wouldn't do that. Lemme check my math.
Rich

Well, They are talking about the lower 48. Last time I went to Dutch Harbor, Alaska they were as thick as seagulls. Maybe thats were the rest of them come from....
 
On another note, somebody is telling us lies. Look at the article: .gov claims 14K Eagles in the lower 48, yet recovers 1K carcasses per year. That's one in 14. With a lifespan of 30 years, one might expect that less than 500 would die per year and something less than that be recovered. So, they're either jacking up the recovery numbers (unlikely) or lying about the population size. Nah, they wouldn't do that. Lemme check my math.
I see them often enough here in Northern Virginia that I no longer do a double-take. I've seen them fly right over my neighborhood in suburban Manassas (25-30miles from DC).

Chris
 
They should let these tribes have an all-you-can-shoot eagle party up in Alaska. They were thick as pigeons the last time I was up there and I have heard they have become a real nuisance in some areas lately.
 
A few years ago I went on a road trip in the winter with my grandparents. We drove by a feild in northern Iowa and almost crashed the car when we saw what had to be nearly a hundred Bald Eagles in a snow covered feild.

My grandfather said that they must be eating the dead baby pigs that sometimes end up in manure when it is spread on feilds. That was about the coolest thing I have seen.

Around here I see them every now and again along the Cedar River.
 
they must be eating the dead baby pigs that sometimes end up in manure


Oy! Our national bird considers poop-basted piglets food worthy of his regal consumption? :barf:
We should have listened to Ben; if we had we'd be baking up eagles in 8 days instead of turkeys. Followed, in the days afterwards, as a matter of course, by eagle soup, eagle sandwiches, eagle curry, eagle loaf, etc. :D
 
Gee, the US government shafting Indians? I can't recall that ever happening before:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :barf: .

An old friend of the family is Apache. She moved a while back to the Arizona area. She told us her tribe was given some land that was nothing but sand & cactus's. Then somehow years later, the land became green with grass had a lake. They had the property appraised at around $2,000,000. Then the government wanted it back. So the FBI went out to the land & was all of a sudden surrounded by Indians with guns. The media was there so the FBI decided it was in their best interest to leave:D .

I haven't heard from her in a while so I don't know what's happened since.

As far as this particular case goes, was the Eagle killed on reservation land? If so, then I don't see that the US government has a say on the matter.
 
As far as this particular case goes, was the Eagle killed on reservation land? If so, then I don't see that the US government has a say on the matter.

I was going to say that I'd be interested to know to what extent U.S. Federal law applies to indian reservations, but that arena is probably quite a sticky little tar baby.
I'm guessing that it doesn't just come down to ownership of the land because if a bald eagle were to perch himself on a tree in my backyard, i.e. the land I own, I would certainly not have the right to shoot it. Indian reservations would have to be considered not a part of the United States, I would think, if it were allowed there.
 
Iowa land of plenty.

With all the hog confinement stations in this state, [I believe there are over 70 in the county i live in] that eagles would have plenty to feast on.

I have seen many eagles while out hunting during the winter months.

They also like to set up on places folks ice fish, invariably dinks are thrown on the ice and left, they get cleaned up by many different carnivores.

Coyotes don't miss this fact either...;)

12-34hom.
 
They also like to set up on places folks ice fish, invariably dinks are thrown on the ice and left, they get cleaned up by many different carnivores.

Another question that I probably shouldn't ask.........what the hell is a dink? :confused: An unwanted trash fish like a drum or a carp? Leftover minnows?










Poop-basted piglets?
 
Indian reservations would have to be considered not a part of the United States, I would think, if it were allowed there.


Bingo. Reservations are THEIR land where they are king. I'll give you a example. Say you stumble onto a Indian reservation while hunting. If you shoot the wrong type of animal*, they can hang you & that's all she wrote. The government is not going to risk angering armed Apache's over a single average Joe Shmuck.

*Like a white buffallo which is sacred to that tribe.

I'll tell you a funny true story. A Indian woman married a white man & wanted to take him back to their reservation. On the way they had a arguement about something. So she decided to play a prank on him. When they got to the check point where they had to sign in, she told him to sit in the car while she talked with the guard. She told the guard to act like her husband was really a white supremacist:D .

The guard walked up to the car with a rifle & talking to his partner about how he hated white people. His partner suggested they hang the white man. By this time the lady's husband was freaking out:D . All of a sudden the guards burst out laughing & told the guy the truth.

If you are on their land, you best behave.
 
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