Federal primers packaging

F. Guffey said:
Many reloaders claimed to have purchased R. Lee's book on modern reloading. If the claim is correct few of them read the book. R. Lee did not test Federal primers, in his book he wrote Federal primers were not tested because they did not donate primers to be tested.
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I did not see this in the book, do you have a chapter or page number so I can reference it please?
 
Pierced primers: That just goes to show 'something' ? The only way I can get a pierced primer is when the firing pin springs is pushed back by the pressure. By increasing the spring pressure the firing pin is not allowed to back out, backing out of the primer dent allows for the pressure to cause a hole. The hole allows for hot high pressure metal gas to escape.

F Guffy- Not to mess with ya, But I am not sure I can go with that. The same day, the same load with CCI primers, Over 100 rounds and no pierced primers.
GM205M I shot 10 rounds and 4 had pierced primers. No change to the rifle.
After working with a few guys that have been shooting long range many years, I have now ( as then too) set my pin protrusion back to .005 instead of .006. and beefed up my spring. I no longer use the 205 in the BR as I do not need to buy a new firing pin.
I also came across same thing in the 223. Take 25.5 gns Varget, 60 Hornady and a CCI 400 primer, Welcome to the world of pierced primers, Darn near everyone. Now same load CCI-BR4 primer and shoot till the cows come home. Never a pierced primer ever. Standard primers can not handle high pressure loads. I now have about 1000-CCI 400's that I will never use.

Now when you say increase spring pressure?. I believe I have done that. Still ( to me) does not make sence when I can simple just go to a BR Primer and the issue dissapears 100%. 2 times in 2 different calibers.

Bart- tell us what you know about Federal primers. You have me interested now
 
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here's a story about federal primers. I can't find he original news story, but I recall it being federal primers from a pic.

Tuesday, December 28th, 2010 at 11:30 pm UTC

Authorities in Miami have arrested an airline passenger after bullet parts in his luggage caused a small explosion. FBI spokesman Mike Leverock said Tuesday there was no connection to terrorism. The explosion did not cause any injuries or damage.

Leverock said the arrested man had packed hundreds of bullet primers in his suitcase. Some of these primers ignited as the bag was being unloaded from the airplane. Leverock said the man, a naturalized U.S. citizen whose name has not been released, arrived at Miami International Airport on his way to Jamaica. He said the man has been charged with transportation of hazardous materials. If convicted, he could be sentenced to up to five years in prison.

here is a funny, unrelated, primer explosion story
https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=TI8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=7106,3795562&hl=en

I have been scouring the internet for a good while now, I have found a zillion stories about exploding primers, nothing about a delivery truck driver getting killed, I would think that would make the news.
 
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If such a thing did happen it no doubt made the news at the time. But the supposed incident goes back 20 years and everything doesn't stay news forever. Hopefully I will receive an email reply from Federal relative to the reason for the packaging, and the email wording gives them an opportunity to confirm, deny, or ignore the questionable reference towards the alleged explosion incident.
 
If Federal primers put out the most flash, why are they so dismal compared to others as shown in the pictures in the following:

http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2009/06/primers-large-rifle-primer-study.html

The hottest primers I've ever used were RWS5333 large rifle magnum primers. Had to reduce my 30 caliber magnum loads 2 grains to keep peak pressures down as those primers flattened quite a bit, too. Muzzle velocity was also higher; less elevation needed for 1000 yards.
 
I have empirical evidence that Federal PISTOL primers are easier to set off than other brands. I don't know whether it is because they have softer or thinner cups or because they are loaded with a different and more sensitive form of lead styphnate, or both, but they are.
My reduced mainspring DA target revolvers are reliable only with Federal primers, none others need apply. When Winchester quit plating their primer cups, sensitivity was greater and I thought I had a second source, but a few hundred later, I got a misfire and later another, so it was back to Federal and no problems.

Greater sensitivity is why Federal primers come in the big boxes, it increases the safety space between them.

I have loaded rifle ammo with both Federal Match and CCI BR primers. I can't tell a difference on target , both are better than standard grade in every rifle I have but one, and have not pierced a Federal.

And I believe that Roy Weatherby specified Federal primers was because they were first to offer a magnum primer for his oversize cartridges.
 
but few, if any, would believe me.
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I like the one that claims Federal used the large container to give R. Lee something to complain about.

Bart B. you claim to know or have an old friend that developed every method and technique in reloading, Question: Do you know of anyone that claims to have read R. lee's book on modern reloading? I claim R. Lee did not test Federal primers because Federal did not donate primers to be tested.

F. Guffey
 
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Leverock said the arrested man had packed hundreds of bullet primers in his suitcase. Some of these primers ignited as the bag was being unloaded from the airplane.
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That will teach them, there is no way of knowing how much stuff is wrecked due to carless handling. Reloaders? Same thing. Most haul loaded ammo to the range in baggies One no longer practices the bad habit, he never read R. Lee's book on modern reloading.

BE CAREFUL with those primers. A primer in a loaded round can launch itself from the primer pocket, again read R. Lee's book on modern reloading.

Pitching baggage full of primers: Another episode for the horror series about powder and primers, there was the truck that hit a bump, and the UPS/FEDEX pitching freight to the front door.

F. Guffey
 
the led farmer, forgive, I ask Bart B., out of courtesy I believe I should give him time to reflect or read the book. R. Lee was more than unfair to Federal in my opinion. I have 400+ cases to load, I dug out my Lee hand primers, 2 with the round flip tray and two with the red plastic insert. I wanted to use Federal primers, my first choice but I was asked to use Winchester LR standard/magnum.

20 of the cases would not fit the Lee shell holder insert, I had to go to another primer system that uses RCBS shell holders. When the cases did not fit the Lee I knew these cases had been slightly hammered.

While using the Lee hand primer I was reminded of the reason priming with a auto hand primers can be dangerous, always, it is always the primer, never the user, never the tool.

I matched the age of the shell holder to the age of the press, my new to me Rock Chucker, the 5th, and? It does not cam over, the ram did kick forward at the top when the linkage banged together under the top of the stand. It has shiny spots on the linkage. the fact it does not cam over makes it a candidate for on of my Piggy Back presses.

F. Guffey
 
So you can't just answer a simple question?
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schmellba99, So you do not have R. Lee's book on modern reloading?

I do, I did not purchase it, it was given to me, a very disciplined reloader in the area purchased it for me, if he has a question he calls.

forgive, I ask Bart B., out of courtesy I believe I should give him time to reflect or read the book. R. Lee was more than unfair to Federal in my opinion
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I started with "forgive", do you have any ideal what that means. And then I said I would extend a courtesy, and then!:eek: like the old song about "Along came John" slow walking, slow talking John and then you get all snarky on me.

F. Guffey
 
In one or two short paragraphs or less, can anyone provide a biased or unbiased explanation as to why the R. Lee book seems to be so shrouded in controversity (which is what I seem to be gathering about it)? One possibility I suppose is that it may only recognize Lee tools as the only way to go

I'm still waiting on an email reply from Federal regarding their primer packaging, but more to the point, the reason behind the larger packaging. If a reply is received, everyone out there will be the first to know their response.
 
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Guffey's misinformation:
Bart B. you claim to know or have an old friend that developed every method and technique in reloading,
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Never said that. Not even close. And you cannot prove I did. I don't expect you to retract that false claim, either.

Question: Do you know of anyone that claims to have read R. lee's book on modern reloading?
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No, I don't. But surely someone has. I think its author is one of them, but I don't personally know him.
 
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I'm still waiting on an email reply from Federal regarding their primer packaging, but more to the point, the reason behind the larger packaging. If a reply is received, everyone out there will be the first to know their response.
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Hind sight is perfect, it could have been a good ideal when they decided to go big then there is now. Now we have many reloaders that just can not deal with the large box. I have a large flip tray, I can section the sliding sleeve to drop primers on the smallest of hand primers.

I like the primers on their side, I like the containment.

F. Guffey
 
In post #30, Bart B did us all a favor and posted a link to some really excellent articles. I'm still working my way through the studies in the Primer section. Great reads and some excellent methodologies.
 
schmellba99, So you do not have R. Lee's book on modern reloading?
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Maybe I do, maybe I don't. That is completely irrelevant to the question asked of you though. You may as well ask me if I am wearing pink socks or have a dog or cat; either question would be as relevant to the discussion as yours to me was.

You are intentionally deflecting and still have not answered a very simple question.

You have made a claim, another poster has asked exactly where that claim is based int he book because he was unable to find it. You have yet to actually answer the question.

If your claim is valid, simply tell us where we can find it in his book. Very simple.
 
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