FBI uses chainsaw on wrong place

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pcb911

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Saw this today on Fox News: http://video.foxnews.com/v/14300704...in-raid-on-wrong-apartment/?playlist_id=86928 .

This is not a driveby but an example of something gone wrong. This really bothers me as to how they treated the lady and then said they were sorry and wanted to pay for the door.

The talking head lawyers acted like it was nothing but a mistake. If you or me had broken in by mistake, we would have been charged and sent to prison. After a swift trial.

As in F & F, everyone should be brought to justice no matter who they are.
 
Not an attorney, but I think it is almost impossible to sue the Police because they simply made a mistake. If you can prove the intentionally did something wrong or that there is a civil rights issue involved then you might have a case.
 
BL, I understand "the king can do no wrong" protection that we have allowed our governments to use to "cover their asses".

My only thought is that we need to be protected from overly aggressive actions against our citizens and their Rights. To quote: "is better for 1000 guilty to go free, than for 1 innocent to be punished."
 
Obviously, this woman does not have her priorities straight. She should be thankful they only used a chainsaw and not a shotgun, and just shut up.

(Disclaimer: That WAS sarcasm, folks.) It is "mistakes" such as this that kill innocent people, and it is "mistakes" such as this that are the reason that judges simply should not approve no-knock or "dynamic entry" search warrants for anything short of a Jack the Ripper style murderer. The whole point of a search warrant is that they are supposed to SERVE the warrant, showing it to the person and allowing them to read it BEFORE they enter. If they did that, she could have told them, 'Hey, this person doesn't live here, you have the wrong address."

But ... NOOOOOOOOO! It's more fun to break out the chainsaw.
 
If I remember correctly, there WAS a case where a homeowner defended his home against some home invaders, killing one, before discovering it was police serving a wrong address search warrant, and subsequently he did get "off". Anyone else remember that? Wonder what happened to him after the light of the media went away?
 
Had this happned ay my home I would of had my gun out and I probably would of been killed.


This kind of mistake is completely untolerable. It puts innocents lives on the line.
 
TXAZ said:
What happened to "EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW"?
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Still in full force and effect. The police are doing these no knock, dynamic entry raids for things like a quarter ounce of weed or a parking ticket all over the United States. Everyone has an equal opportunity to be violated.
 
It brings up lots of questions, especially here on TFL.

Many of us often write about our security precautions and HD weapons. We often discuss how to deal with home invaders. When the alarm goes off and/or the dog/s start barking and the door comes crashing in, followed by guys in balaclavas wearing camouflage; how many among us are going to start shooting?

Then what after the incident is over? What does the agency involved say? Sorry we got the wrong house? Sorry we destroyed your property and/or killed, or maimed you? Sorry, but the house two doors down, was a low level drug dealer and we needed to use military style tactics in the interest of public safety? I wouldn't even comment, or be overly concerned, but if one does a google search, they'll find these types of incidents are not all that rare.

If these types of operations are going to continue to be conducted, then some safeguards need to be implemented. At the very least, one or two people in supervisory positions should always be held absolutely responsible for getting the right location. When I say absolutely, I mean monetarily, legally, the works. If you're in charge and the wrong house is invaded, you lose your job, you lose a lot of your money and you do time in jail.
 
Had it been my home they entered by "mistake" my wife would be very wealthy because I will defend my home to the death against what I feel are "unlawful entries". Without a doubt, in this case I would have been killed when I resisted but some of them would have died with me.......
 
It's not important wether you live or die, just how many of THEM you take along for the ride....

I'm just kidding, of course. Aren't I?
 
RedBowTies88
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Join Date: October 18, 2011
Location: 609 NJ
Posts: 136 Had this happned ay my home I would of had my gun out and I probably would of been killed.
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I read a lot on this forum about how shooting would be a last resort and all the training they do. Identifying the threat and target before shooting but a lot on this thread seam to be saying that they would qust start shooting and identify what the threat was and who they where shooting at later.
 
You would think that in the 2 years the investigation was going on, they might have rechecked the address! I wonder if anyone heard the chainsaw being started and called the police. :eek:This does confuse me though. Why not just use the battering ram? Is the chainsaw for psychological terror against the occupant?
 
manta49,

When in public, yes I would identify the threat before firing. If I'm sitting on my couch at home and the door gets busted in without warning I'm throwing a lot of lead at whatever is coming through.
 
It's the height of absurdity,,,

To think that if I'm sitting in my home minding my own business,,,
And someone starts taking a chainsaw to my front door,,,
That I would be reasonably expected to think,,,
I better wait and see if this is a cop.

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That burden can not be put on me,,,
It's time that LE in general stops wild-west tactics.

We are citizens dang-it,,,
Not subjects!

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Aarond
 
Its not probably that unusual for the police to go to the wrong door. If every time they did the occupier started shooting there would be a lot of homeowners in jail. Remember if you start shooting there is going to be a lot more lead coming back your way possibly killing you and members of your family that you tought you where protecting. Hardly a good result.
 
simmer down...ok?

Otherwise, this thread is going away, soon.

Avoid the general rants, please, and we might be able to have a good discussion.

Remember that the "police" is made up of individuals, and the "I have a badge so I can do anything I want" mindset is only found in a very, very few people. General rants and cop bashing will only get this closed, and perhaps worse.

Already mentioned, the most salient points, the use of extreme force and "dynamic entry" where it doesn't seem called for. Getting the address wrong is something that has been happening since there were cops. The big difference is that today, we hear more about it, thanks to our wonderful advanced communications net.

We don't pay as much attention to it when the cops get the right address, and get shot at, or shot, that's just everyday business, right?

I have to admit, the chainsaw seems over the top, not in any way standard entry procedures. Somebody's been watching too many movies.

Yes, we all are ready to defend our homes from attackers (and rightly so), but shooting at the police (even when you don't know they are the police) seldom ends well, for anyone, and never ends well for everyone.
 
I don't see any real advantage to a chainsaw, but i don't do this kind of work. I think such "no Knock" situations should be rethought with "Know before "no Knock"" as a motto. I do wonder how many LEO's have died at the wrong address on such a raid? I also wonder how long the lady really needed to be held at gunpoint? How long does it take to figure out you have accosted a random housewife rather than a meth cook? ID check & call to HQ wouldn't seem like something that would take longer than maybe fifteen minutes. What am i missing there?

Wonder what happened to him after the light of the media went away?
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Armoredman, if you are thinking of the Cory Maye (Prentiss, MS), he has been released after pleading to a manslaughter charge and getting "time served". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye Wikipedia's article isn't 100% but does get the basics. Mr. Maye is out. That was a really bad situation.

I should point out that in a memorable local case of a "wrong address & no Knock", the elderly residents rousted by the PD were eventually quite glad to have had the "visit" as the alleged meth cooks in the next house moved rather suddenly after the "no knock". (PD repaired damages and apologized profusely)
 
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