Yes, a stillborn Swiss fighter-bomber, the FFA P-16. The military project was canned basically because the Swiss gov't realized that they couldn't commit adequate resources to bring the airplane into service before it would be obsolete. IIRC Bill Lear bought the engineering drawings at fire-sale prices but the only part that was used in the Learjet 23/24/25 without substantial changes was the basic internal wing structure.HiBC said:Didn't the Lear jet have its roots in a military plane?
I'd like to know where they came up with ten -- and what they use as a definition of "recent." Looking at their chart I've been compiling, I had to go back to 2007 to get beyond five -- and they weren't all "AR-15 style" so-called assault weapons.In all, an AR-15 style rifle has been used in at least 10 recent mass shootings – including at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, and a work party in San Bernardino, California.
Ah, yes. "When the law favors your side, argue the law. When the facts favor your side, argue the facts."44_AMP said:Mass Shooting
The FBI is (as I understand it) is currently defining a mass murder as 4 or more dead.
The media now seems to be defining "mass shooting" as 4 or more WOUNDED. While reporting on the number killed, to make it a mass SHOOTING only requires 4 or more people wounded, not killed.
Using THEIR definition, I suspect you could find 10 recent mass shootings where the AR class rifle was used. You might even be able to use some police shootings as well. Their side certainly has in the past.
I didn't see it mentioned, so I'd like to add that the rifle used was not an AR-15 and was not chambered in .223. It was a Sig MCX chambered in 300BK. The whole debate is based on false information.44 AMP said:Really, the Orlando shooter got his ammo from a guy who died in 97??The bullets that tore through the Pulse nightclub in Orlando were Stoner's .223 rounds,
Unfortunately, that bit of signal gets lost in the noise. Even if we could make that point, we get shouted down with, "it was an AR-style assault weapon."It was a Sig MCX chambered in 300BK. The whole debate is based on false information.
But, it really is remarkable how a weapon that started out with such a shaky beginning would later find itself thought of as the go to rifle. Even to this day.
Case in point: British development of the Pattern 1914 Enfield to replace the Lee-Enfield after the long-range capabilities of the latter rifle were found lacking during the Second Boer War. It's easy to forget today that the British military leadership originally intended to phase out the Lee-Enfield well before the time that WWI would end.44 AMP said:There are many weapons that were deployed before "all the bugs were worked out", in fact when you think on it, there are none in the modern era. Even bolt action rifles went through their own period of development, discovering what worked, better, then best.