Evidence for difference between Finn M39 and Russian 91/30

Now that sounds like a very good time - father and son out shooting.

However, I just checked and found that the Soda can is a threatened species. The shooting of a Soda can without a special license is punishable by 1 week cleaning duties at the Brady Campaign main offices.:eek::D

My son came home a few weeks ago after a first date with a young woman. His first words were : "Dad, she is so cool. She enjoys shooting!"

Ron
 
Ron C

The Finnish M39 is my new favorite Rifle.
I own quite a few firearms, some newer production, some Surplus.
I have never handeled a Rifle that felt so natural.
I love the Balance, and feel, With the Sights all the way down, up close, it shoots to point of aim. I really like the way its put together, especially the hinged barrel band on the front, I like the way it shoots, The Recoil seems mild for such a powerfull cartridge, and Its so rugged.
In a "Nut Shell" I love this Rifle.
Thank you for bringing this great Rifle to my attention.
 
It is so rewarding to occasionally take a risk by making a purchase and have it turn out so well.

Enjoy your new rifle!

Ron
 
My M39 is my favorite of my 10 Mosin Nagants.
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just to defend my poor M91/30:
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Just a touch over 2" with no bench rests on a windy day. It was one of my worse days of shooting it, but the only day I had a camera. If you get a good 91/30, you get a good 91/30....

But, yeah, if you get a Finn, you get a good rifle.

Also: I always forget about that messed up flier. I had 6 targets of that same TINY size up at 100 yards. The shot on the top right is a flier from the target to the right of this one.
 
Nice Group Thome,

I love the 91 30 as well.
I wish I had discovered these rifles years ago.
Kind of wanting a M44 or M38 also.
 
I just took a good look at RonC's post... he fired 5 with the Finn and 8 with the Russian... so, there's a pretty big difference. Those three drifters may be the big difference. Especially since five of the "Russian" rounds seem to be in the same 2 1/2" with mine without a bench. Took a while to realize... sorry.

edit: you really have to go five shots with both a Finn AND a Russian to decide the difference, Not 5 Finn and 8 Russian. Just my two cents.
 
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You make a very good point, Thomme.

I did mention "Obviously, this is not a highly controlled test." If I were to do it correctly, I would shoot several 3 or 5 round sets, each set at a separate target.

In this case, I didn't set out to test the difference. I shot the Finn M39 at several targets, then brought out the M-N Russian for some "fun." I was startled at the difference after shooting each for a while. Consistently, the Finn came out much better than the Russian rifle. It also was easier to shoot with the better trigger and I just developed confidence that the groups would be good target to target with the Finn even before I looked in my spotting scope.

Admittedly, I show one of the better targets for each rifle, but they were pretty typical representatives of the rest.

Thanks for the comments.

Ron
 
That is a purdy rifle. I too wish I had found these a few years back.

I think the M39 is one of the most handsome versions of the Mosin Nagant.

I got an antique receiver (Tula 1897) Sk.Y built 1942 with match dated war stock. (Pre-1899 receiver = Antique and not a "firearm" under Federal Law. Which means you bypass the cost of having an FFL receive the firearm, and no background check necessary - please DO check all appropriate laws in your area, as the State you live in may have additional requirements.)

Mine was $269 delivered from gunsnammo.com. I think you spent a touch more and got a much better looker than what I have. I kind of wished I had spent $40 more, as that little amount seems to make a big difference.

This rifle shoots better than I do.

Getting a M39 surplus leather sling is not too hard to do, but expect to pay in the $40+ range for a good one. basically, any sling with the dog collars or "loops" which go through the rings will do fine. Having 2 ways to attach the sling is quite nice.

FAIR WARNING: These things are addictive. I now have a 1891/30 Izzy 1942 arsenal refurbished with all # matching.

Price ranges for Russians

1891/30 should be around $80+ shipping and FFL fees off the internet. Depending on quality level they should be under $150 at a store. Big 5 Sporting Goods and Cabela's stock them, and periodically put them on sale for $99... If you are lucky to have them in your area...

M44 are harder to find, and are presently not being sold on the internet stores. You could find on auction sites, but they have a premium. best bet to find one is Pawn shops or gun shows. I suggest no more than $200 for a beyond excellent one. $150ish is right for a VG-Excellent.

M38 are harder to find still, but could be found in M44 stocks after arsenal refurbish. No more than $250ish for an excellent version.

The average excellent M39 should be no more than $350 - unless it has uniqueness (such as specific markings, tiger striped wood stock, dates, antique receiver, unissued, etc.)

The M28/30 should be no more than $400ish - unless uniqueness.

These are rough experience for the Mid-Tennessee area and net pricing.

http://www.allans-armory.com/aa.php has M91/59 periodically (post WWII arsenal cut down of the 1891/30 model to a carbine size in 1959) around $250

empirearms.com will have Finnish M27, M28, M39 as well. Expect to pay a premium on the M27 and M28 ($400-500) the M39 start at $300 and go up. They do sometimes have antique receiver as well. Excellent reputation online. Kroh (owner) is known as a military surplus specialist.

gunboards.com is a great place to find additional info on mil surp rifles and has a busy buy/sell/trade section...

To clean the wood stock - Murphy's Oil - lightly on a 100% cotton cloth. Nothing else needed.

Note: First Picture attached is the Tang (Tula Production mark 97r = year 1897) Second is a side view.
 

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Yep, I love Finn M-39's. Especially my B-barrel

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Course I also love my Finn M-28 since only a little over 32,000 were made and I found this one hanging in a little gun shop misidentified by it's owner as just a typical Russian Mosin Nagant with a price tag of 74 bucks. LOL!

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the only common Mosin that had a folding bayonet was the russian m44 carbine...There is no reason for a Finnish rifle to have any provision for one(they used a bayonet that was like a puuka hunting knife)....by the time the M44 came out , the finns werent fighting the soviets any longer, hense no finn captured M44 carbines either.
 
Ron C, I ain't sayin' your Finn's ain't good guns, I'm just sayin' you gotta compare them equally! But, man... this whole thread has been a big "oh man, I need more money to afford some finn guns" revolution for me. Thanks all!

But, yeah, then pictures are beautiful!
 
Thome

I know what your saying, I just bought one, and there is another one on the Gunsnammo.Com site that I cant stop looking at. Unfortuantely I just cant afford to buy another one right now. Its number is 5324X check it out, its beatuiful.

Here is a link to the one that I really like.
http://gunsnammo.com/5324X.htm
 
My Mosin-Nagant desire has been stimulated again by all of you! Now, where can I dig up that loose $300 to get another one?
:D

Ron
 
I know! This thread has made me want to buy some Finns and Russians alike, hell, maybe try to find some of the more odd Mosins. I'm sure an ex-sniper PU would give some fantastic groupings if you wanted a good shooting Russian.

RonC: sorry to doubt the scientific basis for your comparison, I just wanted to point out that Russian guns ain't all bad, like people say. According to anyone I've been around, it was the best $60 (pre shipping and FFL fee, about $100 after) anyone could spend on a rifle. But, I know my Russian took some work. And I know the Finns don't take any work.
 
"RonC: sorry to doubt the scientific basis for your comparison, I just wanted to point out that Russian guns ain't all bad, like people say. According to anyone I've been around, it was the best $60 (pre shipping and FFL fee, about $100 after) anyone could spend on a rifle. But, I know my Russian took some work. And I know the Finns don't take any work."

Absolutely no offense taken. In fact, I wanted to emphasize the LACK of scientific basis of my little escapade. When I go shooting, I only have the time and energy to have fun, not test guns. Now, if I could get the various retailers to give me the guns and ammo gratis, I would be happy to find the time and energy to test them rigorously.:D

Ron
 
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