Everything crappy about the...P7 series.
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Dave Finfrock
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Brell:
I don't think you've ever owned a P7, that's my take on it. I've never experienced anything like what you've posted here with my three P7s. I have friends with four more, and they've never seen anything like what you've posted here.
I've run my guns extensively without cleaning and never had any feeding problems. You could load ammo light enough to cause short-cycling, and if you shot enough lead you can get the thing to choke. Once again, totally contrary to my experience with the gun. I'm not buying it.
I don't think you've ever owned a P7, that's my take on it. I've never experienced anything like what you've posted here with my three P7s. I have friends with four more, and they've never seen anything like what you've posted here.
I've run my guns extensively without cleaning and never had any feeding problems. You could load ammo light enough to cause short-cycling, and if you shot enough lead you can get the thing to choke. Once again, totally contrary to my experience with the gun. I'm not buying it.
Ragin Cajun
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Land sakes alive! Here I am doing my best to find a P7M8 to buy and then all this? Somebody get outta bed on the wrong side or what?
For my purposes, I never shoot bare lead in 9mm. FMJ ONLY.
I like "clean" ammo such as S & B or Fiocchi, etc. Don't shoot PMP, Wolf, American, etc as they are weak and DIRTY.
Typically at the range I rarely shoot more than 50 to 100 at a time. I like to stretch out the fun and just come back the next day, and the next day, and . . . well you get the point. I live only 12 minutes from the range.
Rarely will I let my precious get more than several days "dirt" in them before I enjoy giving them a bath.
For my carry piece, I wipe it with synthetic oil every night. It the finish isn't perfect, well I just need to use it some more.
Yep, 7 + 1 isn't the best, but adequate for defensive use. Better 7 + 1 9mm than 32 cal - or worse yet, nothing! But, isn't that what the extra mag is for?
Clicks, etc? Hey, when I pull my piece out it's click - BANG in quick order. Maybe click BANG - BANG - BANG. Whatever.
$$$. Yep, this may be the most I ever pay for any gun. But don't we have to own at least one class act piece?
Have heard about the heat. But if the gas retard workes like I hear, the reduction in recoil should be more than worth it, especially if I don't shoot that many at one time.
Come on. Help me here you guys that like the P7! Am I about to make a very expensive mistake?????
For my purposes, I never shoot bare lead in 9mm. FMJ ONLY.
I like "clean" ammo such as S & B or Fiocchi, etc. Don't shoot PMP, Wolf, American, etc as they are weak and DIRTY.
Typically at the range I rarely shoot more than 50 to 100 at a time. I like to stretch out the fun and just come back the next day, and the next day, and . . . well you get the point. I live only 12 minutes from the range.
Rarely will I let my precious get more than several days "dirt" in them before I enjoy giving them a bath.
For my carry piece, I wipe it with synthetic oil every night. It the finish isn't perfect, well I just need to use it some more.
Yep, 7 + 1 isn't the best, but adequate for defensive use. Better 7 + 1 9mm than 32 cal - or worse yet, nothing! But, isn't that what the extra mag is for?
Clicks, etc? Hey, when I pull my piece out it's click - BANG in quick order. Maybe click BANG - BANG - BANG. Whatever.
$$$. Yep, this may be the most I ever pay for any gun. But don't we have to own at least one class act piece?
Have heard about the heat. But if the gas retard workes like I hear, the reduction in recoil should be more than worth it, especially if I don't shoot that many at one time.
Come on. Help me here you guys that like the P7! Am I about to make a very expensive mistake?????
Mike Irwin
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A mistake?
Hell no.
Even with the drawbacks to the gun that have been discussed, I freaking adore mine.
Yeah, the grip is boxy. Know what? I can still pound 13 quick shots into an area not much bigger than the size of my hand at 10 yards.
I don't much like the way it feels in my hand, but boy do I like the way I can shoot it.
Yeah, it gets hot. But the torture I put mine though is NOT typical.
No, you're not making a mistake in purchasing a P7.
I just wish that they were cheaper. I'd have 1 of each. Actually, my P7M13 was a gift, so maybe I can finagle an M8? Nah. That would be pushing it.
One of these day I am going to get an M8, probably used.
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Hell no.
Even with the drawbacks to the gun that have been discussed, I freaking adore mine.
Yeah, the grip is boxy. Know what? I can still pound 13 quick shots into an area not much bigger than the size of my hand at 10 yards.
I don't much like the way it feels in my hand, but boy do I like the way I can shoot it.
Yeah, it gets hot. But the torture I put mine though is NOT typical.
No, you're not making a mistake in purchasing a P7.
I just wish that they were cheaper. I'd have 1 of each. Actually, my P7M13 was a gift, so maybe I can finagle an M8? Nah. That would be pushing it.
One of these day I am going to get an M8, probably used.
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Smith & Wesson is dead to me.
If you want a Smith & Wesson, buy USED!
Ragin Cagin!
The P7M8 is, in my mind, the best carry piece ever manufactured. I am working on a list of all the cool things about the P7. Don't get me wrong, I'm doing crappy things about the SIG next. I adore my 229's and my 239...but I'm not blind to their faults. By all means, get a P7. IMHO it can not be beat for daily carry. Also, 8+1, not 7+1.
GHB
The P7M8 is, in my mind, the best carry piece ever manufactured. I am working on a list of all the cool things about the P7. Don't get me wrong, I'm doing crappy things about the SIG next. I adore my 229's and my 239...but I'm not blind to their faults. By all means, get a P7. IMHO it can not be beat for daily carry. Also, 8+1, not 7+1.
GHB
Fast Eagle
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Ragin Cagun, don’t fret! You won’t be sorry with the acquisition of a P7. I’ve owned an M8 for 5 years. I agree with Greg Bell that on CCW it’s the greatest. For those who are hi-cap freaks this gun may not be for you but then again you would only feel defended with a G17 and two spare mags!
Buy the P7!
Fast Eagle
Buy the P7!
Fast Eagle
Ragin Cajun
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Thanks for the input.
GReg, do give us a listing of the good points. In reviewing the "bad" ones I do have a better insight on the P7 than I had before. Best to know both the +'s and -'s ahead of time vs getting supprised.
I have been looking around and can't seem to get my hands on one. I went to my favorite gun shop and they can't find anybody with one. Anybody have a source that has the ones with two mags, the tools, manual, and a factory referd and warrenty - in stock ********
HOLD THE PRESSES! !
The gun shop just called and they GOT ONE COMING! Is $729 OK. From what I can see that is "reasonable" as far as reasonable for an H & K goes. Hope to have it in my hot little hands early next week.
Thanks guys!
GReg, do give us a listing of the good points. In reviewing the "bad" ones I do have a better insight on the P7 than I had before. Best to know both the +'s and -'s ahead of time vs getting supprised.
I have been looking around and can't seem to get my hands on one. I went to my favorite gun shop and they can't find anybody with one. Anybody have a source that has the ones with two mags, the tools, manual, and a factory referd and warrenty - in stock ********
HOLD THE PRESSES! !
The gun shop just called and they GOT ONE COMING! Is $729 OK. From what I can see that is "reasonable" as far as reasonable for an H & K goes. Hope to have it in my hot little hands early next week.
Thanks guys!
No one has yet mentioned a goofy thing that has happened to me with the P7M8. When racking the slide I have somehow managed to depress the take down button and unintentially disassembled the gun. The first time it happened I was totally shocked. The next time I was disappointed. I read an article many years ago by Mas Ayoob. He had ground down his take down button. Until then the same thing was happening to him. Not knocking a great pistol. Just making an observation of what happened to me.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Watch-Six:
No one has yet mentioned a goofy thing that has happened to me with the P7M8. When racking the slide I have somehow managed to depress the take down button and unintentially disassembled the gun. The first time it happened I was totally shocked. The next time I was disappointed. I read an article many years ago by Mas Ayoob. He had ground down his take down button. Until then the same thing was happening to him. Not knocking a great pistol. Just making an observation of what happened to me.
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Damn dude!
You are one nimble freak
if you can do that! Your wife/girl friend must love you! 
Fast Eagle
No one has yet mentioned a goofy thing that has happened to me with the P7M8. When racking the slide I have somehow managed to depress the take down button and unintentially disassembled the gun. The first time it happened I was totally shocked. The next time I was disappointed. I read an article many years ago by Mas Ayoob. He had ground down his take down button. Until then the same thing was happening to him. Not knocking a great pistol. Just making an observation of what happened to me.
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Damn dude!
You are one nimble freak
if you can do that! Your wife/girl friend must love you! Fast Eagle
I bought a PSP in 1985, and transferred to a P7M8 as soon as they were available. I've made occasional forays into .357 snubbies, Browning Hi-Powers and the Walther P99, but I always seem to come back to the P7.
Yes, they 'click' when you release the squeeze-grip. However, if the threat is close enough to hear the 'click', why are you safing your weapon? "The rampaging Hottentot is 20 feet away. I shall take control by disarming myself."
In my experience, I say again, in my experience fouling jams occur in P7 pistol no more or less than they appear in any other pistol.
Yes, they do tend to get warm above the trigger. Matter-of-fact, they can get downright scalding. And if you run 100 rounds rapid through your P7 in a self-defense situation, you should be beaten about the head and shoulders with an assault tuna for not transitioning to something more appropriate to a war -- or for hanging around the situation to begin with. Your choice.
Yes, they *only* hold 8 or 9 rounds. Snub revolvers only hold five. Plenty of those wandering around in CCW holsters. Is a critter who takes 5 or eight rounds center of mass going to be any deader than the one who takes 15 hits COM? And if you intend to miss the critter enough to make the seven extra rounds in the 15 round mag necessary, may I respectfully ask that I be given advanced warning so that I may cower behind something bullet-proof? Thank you.
LawDog
Yes, they 'click' when you release the squeeze-grip. However, if the threat is close enough to hear the 'click', why are you safing your weapon? "The rampaging Hottentot is 20 feet away. I shall take control by disarming myself."
In my experience, I say again, in my experience fouling jams occur in P7 pistol no more or less than they appear in any other pistol.
Yes, they do tend to get warm above the trigger. Matter-of-fact, they can get downright scalding. And if you run 100 rounds rapid through your P7 in a self-defense situation, you should be beaten about the head and shoulders with an assault tuna for not transitioning to something more appropriate to a war -- or for hanging around the situation to begin with. Your choice.
Yes, they *only* hold 8 or 9 rounds.
Snub revolvers only hold five. Plenty of those wandering around in CCW holsters. Is a critter who takes 5 or eight rounds center of mass going to be any deader than the one who takes 15 hits COM? And if you intend to miss the critter enough to make the seven extra rounds in the 15 round mag necessary, may I respectfully ask that I be given advanced warning so that I may cower behind something bullet-proof? Thank you.LawDog
Fast Eagle
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Yes, they do tend to get warm above the trigger. Matter-of-fact, they can get downright scalding. And if you run 100 rounds rapid through your P7 in a self-defense situation, you should be beaten about the head and shoulders with an assault tuna for not transitioning to something more appropriate to a war -- or for hanging around the situation to begin with. Your choice.
An Assault Tuna????
Is that similar to them long, fat silver gizmos they strap under the wings of my aircraft?
Hmmmmmmm..... Always wondered what they were.
Fast Eagle
An Assault Tuna????
Is that similar to them long, fat silver gizmos they strap under the wings of my aircraft?
Hmmmmmmm..... Always wondered what they were.
Fast Eagle
parabellum
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Don't forget the extra mags with the mayonaise in 'em!
Badger Arms
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Think it was said earlier... I don't think the experience of the two posters here is anything extensive.
-- IF you can fire 100 rounds that means 12 magazine changes. How many cops carry 12 magazines? How many concealed carry civilians carry 12 magazines?
-- A plugged gas port causes slide acceleration, not deceleration.
-- The click when the gun decocks is no different than any other pistol when decocking.
-- The magazine capacity is higher than a revolver. I guess people who carry revolvers must be wrong.
-- The gun gets dirty after 700 rounds!!?! Duh. Of course it does, so does my Para Ordnance.
-- The grip screws come loose like the majority of pistols with grips and screws. Hey, tighten them up and use locktite.
Give me a break. I've found the gun to be DAMN accurate, very safe, simple to opperate, light and thin on the hip, did I mention accurate? They are also very well built. I might be the exception but my grip screws never came loose. My gun NEVER jammed with factory loads. It NEVER got too hot to handle as I only had three magazines for it and wouldn't be able to Abuse my gun by lighting off 13 magazines full in a row. My range sessions lasted 200 rounds and the gun was no more dirty than any other gas-operated semi. The finish was as good as any other blued pistol I got it in a straight across trade for a reimport Garand years ago and sold it for a profit.
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Thomas Jefferson made us free.
John Browning made us equal.
Without Browning, we might not know about the other two...
-- IF you can fire 100 rounds that means 12 magazine changes. How many cops carry 12 magazines? How many concealed carry civilians carry 12 magazines?
-- A plugged gas port causes slide acceleration, not deceleration.
-- The click when the gun decocks is no different than any other pistol when decocking.
-- The magazine capacity is higher than a revolver. I guess people who carry revolvers must be wrong.
-- The gun gets dirty after 700 rounds!!?! Duh. Of course it does, so does my Para Ordnance.
-- The grip screws come loose like the majority of pistols with grips and screws. Hey, tighten them up and use locktite.
Give me a break. I've found the gun to be DAMN accurate, very safe, simple to opperate, light and thin on the hip, did I mention accurate? They are also very well built. I might be the exception but my grip screws never came loose. My gun NEVER jammed with factory loads. It NEVER got too hot to handle as I only had three magazines for it and wouldn't be able to Abuse my gun by lighting off 13 magazines full in a row. My range sessions lasted 200 rounds and the gun was no more dirty than any other gas-operated semi. The finish was as good as any other blued pistol I got it in a straight across trade for a reimport Garand years ago and sold it for a profit.
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God made us in his own image.
Thomas Jefferson made us free.
John Browning made us equal.
Without Browning, we might not know about the other two...
I feel damn lucky!
I been shooting my P7M8 for about 10 years now and I din't find any of the shortcomings listed. Yes the trigger guard gets warm but then I'm not shooting 100 shot rapid fire strings. I usually shoot 200-300 rounds per outting with mine and the trigger guard never gets hot enough to get uncomfortable. Also, my pistol is extremely reliable with any decent ammo. Finally, they are very accurate. Mine will shoot 1 1/2" groups at 25 yards all day with Federal BP and it will even do 1" with some handloads.
I like my P7M8 enough to put it on the "always keep" list along with my 5" model 10, Diamondback and Python.
I been shooting my P7M8 for about 10 years now and I din't find any of the shortcomings listed. Yes the trigger guard gets warm but then I'm not shooting 100 shot rapid fire strings. I usually shoot 200-300 rounds per outting with mine and the trigger guard never gets hot enough to get uncomfortable. Also, my pistol is extremely reliable with any decent ammo. Finally, they are very accurate. Mine will shoot 1 1/2" groups at 25 yards all day with Federal BP and it will even do 1" with some handloads.
I like my P7M8 enough to put it on the "always keep" list along with my 5" model 10, Diamondback and Python.
Greetings -
I have found it very difficult (read: not yet possible) to find a source of factory magazines for my P7M8. I'd bet they would be expensive, too.
I do see ads for ProMags but have heard nothing but bad things about that brand, so I hesitate.
I have only the two mags that came with the gun. They're built like tanks but I still cringe when I eject them to the ground.
Humbly, P.
I have found it very difficult (read: not yet possible) to find a source of factory magazines for my P7M8. I'd bet they would be expensive, too.
I do see ads for ProMags but have heard nothing but bad things about that brand, so I hesitate.
I have only the two mags that came with the gun. They're built like tanks but I still cringe when I eject them to the ground.
Humbly, P.
Fast Eagle
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LawDog:
The rare M11 Assault Tuna (NFA only):
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One question LawDog.
What the H**L does it shoot??????
The rare M11 Assault Tuna (NFA only):
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One question LawDog.
What the H**L does it shoot??????
I would imagine some nice fish balls would work. Or maybe caviar for close work or home defense. Talk about expensive ammo!
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It's time we stop apologizing like a bunch of guilt-ridden, part-time criminals for our love and respect of firearms!
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Badger Arms
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greg Bell:
Read carefully and you will see most of your concerns have been addressed.
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Greg, what concerns are you talking about? I wasn't the one with the concerns, I was echoing what everybody else was saying in response to the first post. Another voice in the choir.
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God made us in his own image.
Thomas Jefferson made us free.
John Browning made us equal.
Without Browning, we might not know about the other two...
Read carefully and you will see most of your concerns have been addressed.
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Greg, what concerns are you talking about? I wasn't the one with the concerns, I was echoing what everybody else was saying in response to the first post. Another voice in the choir.
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God made us in his own image.
Thomas Jefferson made us free.
John Browning made us equal.
Without Browning, we might not know about the other two...
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