Ever think about how crazy todays schools are?

Geez ken, you sound as if you are fantasizing about an ideal world where kids are raised by two loving parents without any hint of dysfunctionality.
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Wouldn't that be nice...

I've just finished reading a depressing book called "the Lucifer Principle"...the premise in a nutshell is that hatred, violence, brutality and savagry is INHERENT in mankind....that being said, reinforcing and glorifying violence only makes our own natures worse...

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So, in a nutshell, a person like me, who watches with great amusement movies like 'Hostel', or 'Reservoir Dogs', and giggles uncontrollably at the worm-creatures eating people in King Kong, and who listens to angry metal, and plays violent video games, should somehow be an evil monster because all that metastisizes my inherent violent angry hateful nature?

Maybe you're right. That might explain why I snapped five necks on the way to work this morning.

Come on now, you want to tell me that you have found yet another way to remove responsibility from an individual by blaming our own nature? Does that give 'Siren' any comfort when she's crying about her boyfriend beating the crap out of her? It isnt his fault, its just in his nature.

Is there any terminator point that seperates the humans from the subhumans anymore?
 
An even worse problem is that teachers and school admins. have been castrated as far as discipline goes.

If he were doing it in class or some other time when it's not appropriate to sing silly songs, he'd get a warning, then lunch detention, then after-school detention, just like any other inappropriate outburst. It's not exactly rocket science.
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Had that same outburst occured during my days in school
(1969-1981) you could probably expect a "Thwack" on the hand with a ruler the first time, and 2-3 swats on the backside from the Principal bearing the dreaded "Board of Education".

Either way, it left a lasting impression, and was an effective method.

Now we have "time Out" or "Detention" I'm sure that really scares em:p
 
Do you think its appropriate for children to glorify violence?
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Its not glorifying anything,its just kids being kids in a byegone era.Today America is obsessed with being "politically correct".Its wrong.

His point was that the silly little limericks that we used to sing would get the kid kicked out and the secretary of defense on the phone.
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Bingo

singing a little rhyme with no malicious intent shouldn't be outlawed because some people do it maliciously racist with intent to defame and cause emotional hurt. You come across like...violence is bad and there's never any place for it and lock em up who do.
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Double bingo.

Could be me, but I took the question to mean that small things we did as kids are no longer accepted.
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That was the purpose of this thread.My high school JROTC rifle team no longer exists.Why? Liberals and other PC regressives.And notice that I said "regressive",todays liberals are anything but progressive.

Uh huh. Without Googling, can you tell us about the most recent instance you remember? Must have been at a year-round school.
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Maybe in your world it doesnt happen,in mine it does and much too often.
 
We should go back to teaching the basics .They don't seem to teach grammar, spelling ,math or anything else important .Instead it's sensitivity training and all the other PC crap. We have raised a generation that spends most of it's time lookming for things that offend them ! Get a life !Our country is going down the tubes because the education system has failed .That started in the late 1960s.
 
Do you think its appropriate for children to glorify violence?
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The song glorifies violence less than most organized sports. If we are really concerned about violence in school, we need to eliminate the organized gang activity called football.
 
Football - ah yes.

When my daughter was in middle school - she made the honor roll. Of course, that is good news to parents. Her mom asked if they were going to put up a bulletin board with their names. She was told NO as that would make the nonhonor kids feel bad. Of course, we had the little pissant football team plastered all over the place.

They were also going to get rid of TAG (talented and gifted programs) as it was discriminatory and instead have the TAG kids tutor those less able at the latter's level. I have nothing against helping kids who need it but not to offer enrichment to those who can benefit - doesn't go down well with me.
 
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She was told NO as that would make the nonhonor kids feel bad. Of course, we had the little pissant football team plastered all over the place.
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Thats very common today and a huge mistake.:mad:
 
At my high school, a budget crisis caused the termination of one teacher, and the virtual elimination of our library. Of course, the football team got their new work out facility.

Combined with the concealment of crimes (sexual assault by the star quarterback), and it was enough to turn one off organized sports for life.
 
Since I teach at a university - I meet a broad spectrum of athletes. I have some who are excellent students but I'll tell you there very, very many of them who sit through class vacant eyed and never take a note. They miss about a 3rd of class time for games and practice.

Personally, I would abolish the semipro teams colleges have nowadays. I'm sorry that some alumni need fantasy heroes to support education but we would be better off without them. It is terribly destructive to minority kids also. They are SO used.

My dad was an NBA and collegiate referee and a higher up in their organizations. He used to tell me how so many coaches exploited these kids. After he retired, he used to give speeches on such to various organizations. He was thrilled that I got an education and said he was sorry he became an athlete and didn't get one.

Oh, well - another rant about society that will go nowhere.
 
The schools have lost sight of their mission over the last several decades.

Reading, writing, and arithmetic are neglected for more "relevant" or "socially responsible" topics. Where I work, it is a rare pleasure to hire a college graduate who can write a clear, direct, and logical analytical document.

Accomplishment is frequently not recognized or rewarded and failure is certainly not supposed to be recognized. During an annual performance and compensation discussion, I had one very productive young worker literally flee the building crying because I had suggested some things that they should attempt to do better.

Schools have become risk-free zones where actions have no real consequences and students can't learn responsibility. Just look at the playgrounds, where swings and tag are rapidly disappearing. Kids are not given the chance to take risks (fall out of a swing or fall down when running), so they don't learn consequences (broken arms or skinned knees).

</rant off> I feel much better now.
 
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I think the poster was just trying to use a fictional and colorful way to say that he feels political correctness and excessive fear, especially of guns, seem to have gotten out of hand in society, as well as in the schools.
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I couldn't agree with you more. It's that bold part that's irritating when you're the one being described as a paranoid idiot because of what you do for a living. Fictional indeed.

And Outcast, you went to school in the 60's, 70's and 80's, and they didn't have detention? Is it possible you're attaching a bit of nostalgia to the spanking fetish stuff? I wasn't in school then, but most of the literature about kids in school mentions detention time from Little House on the Prairie on. Search your feelings; you know it to be true.

As for the attention paid to sports stars, I couldn't agree more--and I was an all-star football player in high school. However, I can't help but chuckle at all the "Go back to the good old days!" folks bemoaning the attention and money spent on the football team. My grandfather wouldn't have passed high school if he hadn't been a football and basketball star who tied flies for the principal. He used to be allowed to skip school as long as he went flyfishing with the principal! You can't tell me with a straight face that athletes get away with more today than they did "back then."

A whole lot of this comes down to nostalgia for bygone days, just like a lot of the nostalgia for the friendly neighborhood cop who wasn't a "military wannabe storm trooper." Sure, those guys existed, but often they spent at least some of their time busting heads and committing what we today would consider crimes.
 
Schools have become risk-free zones where actions have no real consequences and students can't learn responsibility. Just look at the playgrounds, where swings and tag are rapidly disappearing. Kids are not given the chance to take risks (fall out of a swign or fall down when running), so they don't learn consequences (broken arms or skinned knees).
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The reason for that can be summed up with one word: liability. Parents can, and do, sue schools and individual teachers for all kinds of things, and injuries sustained on supervised time at school are high up on the list because they leave tangible evidence.

I know more than one teacher who would be cleaned out of life savings if it wasn't for the legal assistance of the teacher's union.
 
I remember the good ol' days of bringing my dad's Remington 870 to school in my station wagon (it was real chick magnet) so I wouldn't have to run home after football practice to go dove hunting.

Those days are long, long gone. And it's wrong.
 
Can you imagine how long a kid could sing that today without some Kerry loving,paranoid liberal teacher calling 911 from her classroom and having the young terrorists arrested and expelled for the rest of the year?
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Funny, it's not the liberals I see acting paranoid about terrorism.....
Let's try it this way:
Can you imagine how long a kid could sing that today without some Bush loving,paranoid wingnut teacher calling 911 from her classroom and having the young terrorists arrested and expelled for the rest of the year?

Yeah...now that looks a little more like what's going on these days.
After all, the liberals are the ones who wish to surrender to the terrorists, right? I sometimes get confused by all the rhetoric....
 
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