Ever allow yourself to be "duped" by internet gun forums?

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Performance in terms of handling, braking, acceleration and general drivetrain execution amounts to more than exclusiveness and fuzzy dice when comparing a fine automobile to a "people's" car. Same with fine firearms vs the regular stuff. If you're saying that, in the end, cars will always be just transportation and firearms will always be just something that will expend ball, bullet or shot, well then, I guess you're right. But if you believe either genre can transcend mediocrity by excelling in design, material, workmanship, and performance well then...

A rose is a rose is a rose is a concept that has intrinsic truth. But it doesn't follow, even as a metaphor, that a car is a Honda is a Mercedes any more than a gun is a Hi-Point is a Smith & Wesson does.

I should add that though I am a "Ruger and Ford" guy due to family obligations and income limitations, it doesn't mean that I would turn away a Ferrari or a Purdy because they had too many "doo-dads" hanging on them.
 
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If you're saying that, in the end, cars will always be just transportation and firearms will always be just something that will expend ball, bullet or shot, well then, I guess you're right.
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That's what I'm saying. Plus reliability. Always buy a Japanese car. If you've ever manufactured anything for the Japanese auto market, you know those guys are heartless, zero-DPPM fanatics.
 
If you've ever manufactured anything for the Japanese auto market, you know those guys are heartless, zero-DPPM fanatics.
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Thats why Browning Miroku stuff is the best thats made in terms of QC

WildmynihonjinswmbowontevenputastamponcrookedAlaska ™
 
Sometimes I wish I had listened to the alarmists out there. I read all about Kel-Tec failures, but I was so taken with the concept of the P3AT, (and subsequently P32 and P-11) that I kept going back and giving them "one more chance" in spite of my prior experience.

After four tries, I gave up. Wish I'd gotten smarter sooner. :rolleyes:

On the other side, I read plenty of Kimber-bashing threads, and I'm on number seven currently :)

And I've read plenty of polymer Kahr-bashing threads, and I own two that are both utterly reliable.
 
If you're saying that, in the end, cars will always be just transportation and firearms will always be just something that will expend ball, bullet or shot, well then, I guess you're right.
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That's what I'm saying. Plus reliability. Always buy a Japanese car.
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Reliability is not a whole hell a lot different between Japanese cars and the Benz. If you want something more, something that makes you feel part of the car rather than simply in it, if you want every driver input to deliver exactly the expected response, if you want actual comfort and if you expect to actually enjoy driving, buy a German car.... or better yet, an Italian car.

If you simply want transportation, yup, get a Toyo or a Honda.

Now, back on topic. If you get duped by internet forums into buying a Lorcin rather than a Sig.... well then that's a lot like getting duped into thinking Japanese cars are the do all end all and $25K is the maximum value of any car. :p

Machine tools now are another matter... buy Japanese.... top of the line Japanese and you can't go wrong. :)
 
If you want something more, something that makes you feel part of the car rather than simply in it, if you want every driver input to deliver exactly the expected response, if you want actual comfort and if you expect to actually enjoy driving, buy a German car.... or better yet, an Italian car.
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I hear the voice of every salesman who ever took your hard-earned money.
 
If I followed the advice on the internet gun forums I would:

Never buy a Smith & Wesson IL-equipped revolver, because we all know that the lock will fail at a critical moment;

Never buy any Smith & Wesson revolver made after about 1992, because we all know that the MIM internal parts are inherently weak and will break under stress;

Never buy a Ruger product, because we all know that their revolvers have terrible triggers and everything they make is subject to recall at any moment;

Never buy anything made by Taurus, because their quality control is horrible and their customer service is worse;

Never buy a Kimber 1911, because their magazines malfunction and their safeties break;

Never buy a Kahr semiauto, because it's totally unreliable; and

Never buy anything made by Charter arms, because, well, their revolvers are useless junk.

Or, if I followed the advice of the gun mags, I would:

Buy everything produced by all of their advertisers because their products are all of exceptional quality and accuracy and fill niches that no one else's product fills.

There, that about covers it, doesn't it?
 
One of the problem with gun reports on the net is the tu quoque defense

OP: Can some one tell me about*brandex*

Reply: Sure, *insert poor characteristics here* and its a jammomatic etc

Reply from brandex lover: O yeah, well I own one and its the greatest thing since sliced bread. In fact, its so wonderful that me and all my friends put it on on an altar and dance before it wearing loincloths and goat leggings, whilst warbling the brand name...

Reply: Well thats nice, but it still exhibits *insert poor characteristics here*

Reply from brandexlover lover: O yeah, well Glocks/Kimbers/Plasma phase rifles JAM TOO (quoque)

WildbewarethetookAlaska ™
 
Wildalaska has it about right.


I'm willing to consider the possibility that manufacturing in general has gotten so good that it's hard to find a bad gun nowadays.


I just don't go back far enough to remember the old days. The impression I have, though, is that the automatics weren't terribly reliable back then and that everyone used FMJ almost without exception in automatics.


Today, we expect automatic pistols to function flawlessly with any ammo. Moreover, we've developed lots of designs that push the envelope in terms of size and weight. I suspect that if you could go back to 1935 and show somebody a P-3AT, they'd think you were a sorcerer.
 
Some people prefer Mercedes over Honda. There are reasons why they do, but Mercedes isn't the better car.
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Not that this is a vehicle forum, but I disagree. Your dealing with apples and oranges here.
 
Not that this is a vehicle forum, but I disagree. Your dealing with apples and oranges here.
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Not quite following you. Do you mean to say that my assertion that guns are like cars in that price and quality don't track each other is false? Or are you suggesting that the Honda can't be compared to the Mercedes because they are radically different from each other?
 
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