Ever allow yourself to be "duped" by internet gun forums?
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Yeah, ever since I got my new 686, my shooting has been a total misery; pull the trigger, unlock the gun. Look for the key. Two shots - unlock. Sometimes it takes me a couple of hours to shoot 50 rounds. If only I had listened to all the great advice that was right in front of me. 
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jdI was never going to buy a Kimber, until I came across a deal I couldn't walk away from. So I bought the gun, MIM and all. Still going strong after more than 2000 rounds.
With Kimber mags: Not a single FTE, FTF, broken safety, whatever... flawless.
With 47D: FTF one out of seven at least.
Solution? Don't use the Wilson mag.
With Kimber mags: Not a single FTE, FTF, broken safety, whatever... flawless.
With 47D: FTF one out of seven at least.
Solution? Don't use the Wilson mag.
One other one. I've heard people say Kimber mags are junk. I've got one, now. Rest are Wilsons.
Went to the range, and, put my Kimber Mag in my Detonics, first time I ever shot it. JAMMED GUN.
The mag was somehow wider then all my other 1911 magazines, and, it kept the slide from working. Had to POUND it out, not a good first sign at the range. Went back to Wilson and Detonics magazines, and the gun works flawlessly.
As much as I can tell, under normal use, the top part of the magazine flexed out to far, causing the gun to jam.
Another internet 'myth' that could have cost me my life.
NEVER another Kimber mag. Been shooting 1911's for 39 years, never had anything like that happen before...
Went to the range, and, put my Kimber Mag in my Detonics, first time I ever shot it. JAMMED GUN.
The mag was somehow wider then all my other 1911 magazines, and, it kept the slide from working. Had to POUND it out, not a good first sign at the range. Went back to Wilson and Detonics magazines, and the gun works flawlessly.
As much as I can tell, under normal use, the top part of the magazine flexed out to far, causing the gun to jam.
Another internet 'myth' that could have cost me my life.
NEVER another Kimber mag. Been shooting 1911's for 39 years, never had anything like that happen before...
Thanks.... I enjoyed that. Always looking for that first smile of the day when I'm having coffee and the morning cigar.
On topic: I treat internet-based forums, and all the myriad of opinions that come at ya when asking a question, with a discriminating eye. It's all free advice, and many times, that's exactly what it's worth. But I've also received some worthwhile tips and ideas that turned out to be time well-spent on forums. So, it evens out. But whether I buy, or not, a piece probably won't be determined by just a couple opinions. But I -do- have one example that I wish I'd have listened to the (negative) advice... but didn't. Ended up with a PoS that went back to the factory 3 times and still doesn't perform well compared to the $ paid.
But I won't mention what it was, or brand, here.... just to avoid stepping on the toes of those who have had good luck with one.
Just my .02.
I got "reverse duped" but actually did it to myself. I read a few too many hosannas being sung at the altar of the Python and let my expectations get unrealistic.
Wound up buying three and was profoundly disappointed though I still have one. Not sure what I was expecting, probably a 3 pound double action slicker than snail snot that didn't light strike. Realistically, there's no way any revolver, regardless of how nice, could live up to the gun board hype that's heaped on that product.
SoldiersSon
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I don't think I've ever been duped. The only guns I've been disuaded from buying were both Taurus products...a 1911, and the Judge. I decided against Taurus based on what I've heard/read about their customer service.
I think that might be approaching over dramatic. Trouble, no doubt. Lost money, certainly. Could have cost you your LIFE? I think we can all agree that it's a basic part of the plan to have range tested ALL of your equipment and deal with these things at the proper time and place before it is even allowed to become part of your defense plan. Frankly, any tiny part of any of it could cost your your life if you want to get down to the details.
I bought four new magazines for my carry gun but wouldn't put them in to the car or in the pistol for carry until each has been put through it's paces on the range. I even did that with the newly installed Pearce grip extensions. It's just part of employing a tool... make sure it works.
You know in 40 years, I've NEVER had a bad magazine for a 1911. This is the FIRST one. I've heard they are junk, but, I put no credibility to it.
THAT's why it's dangerous, as is the auto-lock. It's unexpected, and outside the usual situation, or problems one is used to encountering.
I don't know if it works with my Kimber full sized, since I have primarily Wilson mags. I realize it maybe specific to my Detonics, but, it would not be nice to find out the hard way.
That mag has worked in the full sized, and I had no suspicion that I would have a problem with it in another 1911.
THAT's why it's dangerous, as is the auto-lock. It's unexpected, and outside the usual situation, or problems one is used to encountering.
I don't know if it works with my Kimber full sized, since I have primarily Wilson mags. I realize it maybe specific to my Detonics, but, it would not be nice to find out the hard way.
That mag has worked in the full sized, and I had no suspicion that I would have a problem with it in another 1911.
Internet talk almost made me pass on a original Sigma SW9f a couple
of years ago. I shoot mostly 22's at the range but wanted a inexpensive
nine for the home. I found a used police turn in for $185.00 and
bought it. Two years later I have had no failures of any kind. This gun
has a good trigger and shoots as well as my 22's. The only thing I
replaced is the main spring (which broke while I was cleaning it).
I read the forums and pass on some guns when I hear negative reviews
but sometimes I wonder.
Ron
of years ago. I shoot mostly 22's at the range but wanted a inexpensive
nine for the home. I found a used police turn in for $185.00 and
bought it. Two years later I have had no failures of any kind. This gun
has a good trigger and shoots as well as my 22's. The only thing I
replaced is the main spring (which broke while I was cleaning it).
I read the forums and pass on some guns when I hear negative reviews
but sometimes I wonder.
Ron
I've been duped more by writers in the gun rags than I have in these forums.
Yes, there's a lot of nonsense here, but it tends to be self-correcting; if someone criticizes a particular firearm, you'll soon have people chiming in on both sides, sometimes in a rather spirited manner. Read all the comments and you'll soon be able to draw a reasonable conclusion.
BTW, several years ago, having read the glowing reports in the gun rags, I purchased a Kahr P9 - it was a horrible, troublesome little gun, with many problems. If YOU have one and say you've fired a gazillion rounds though yours with no problem, I believe you . . . but my experience definitely soured me on their polymer pistols.
Yes, there's a lot of nonsense here, but it tends to be self-correcting; if someone criticizes a particular firearm, you'll soon have people chiming in on both sides, sometimes in a rather spirited manner. Read all the comments and you'll soon be able to draw a reasonable conclusion.
BTW, several years ago, having read the glowing reports in the gun rags, I purchased a Kahr P9 - it was a horrible, troublesome little gun, with many problems. If YOU have one and say you've fired a gazillion rounds though yours with no problem, I believe you . . . but my experience definitely soured me on their polymer pistols.
After being a subscriber to G&A and Guns mags for more years than I care to admit... I have to say that I no longer get them. Over 10 years ago I started noticing a suspicious praise of any firearm by gun writers and then found a full-page advertisement for the gun in the page immediately following. I believe them to be too biased, as a whole... and I believe they're told by editorial management how to slant an article.
There are, of course, some writers still left that still retain their integrity. I've always enjoyed Taffin.. who's probably too old to care what his editors say.
But overall, if you compare the size of the mags years ago, compared to the skinny publications they're printing these days, which are - by and large - more advertisements than useful information, no wonder their subscriptions are dropping off. In the Internet age, it may just be a sign of the times. Newspapers nationwide are struggling... magazines of all types are struggling, and gun forums out here are growing by leaps and bounds. Go figger.
Michael Bane
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I always think the operative words in reading any comments on guns (including mine) are, "Your mileage may differ."
I've been evaluating guns since the 1970s, and over the years I've moved farther and farther way from flat expletives like, "that brand is junk" or "this brand is great," largely because some of the so-called junk brands have produced spectacular models while some of the gold-standard companies have produced bad clunkers. I also try to compare notes with other people who write about guns...you'd be surprised (or maybe not) how often we end up with diametrically opposed opinions.
One of the more instructive lessons I learned as in the 1980s when I was sent a TEC-9 "assault pistol" for T&E. I don't recall requesting it, but it showed up at my FFL dealer with my name on it, I thought, "Oh, what the heck?"
At the time I was a hot-shot IPSC shooter, with all the snootiness that might imply. I shot a Wilson Master Grade in competition, appropriately, as I had co-authored THE COMBAT .45 AUTO with Bill Wilson. I was working with a lot of LEO trainers, yada yada...Mr. Gun Snob Hisself.
So my friend and I cooked up the ultimate TEC-9 test...we would shoot the darn thing to pieces. I gathered up not only super hot European and Israeli 9mm submachinegun ammunition, which I knew for a fact would rattle a Hi-Power apart in a few magazines, but also my box of Michael's Screw-Up Reloads, all the 9mm rounds I'd botched up over a period of years. Some were double-loaded, some were loaded with heaven knows what, some had been festering in the box for 7 years or so and I had no idea why I threw them in the box. Maybe they were radioactive.
Short story is the darn POS ate it all up, subgun rounds, double loaded 9mms, whatever trash we loaded in it, the TEC-9 perked right on. So we ramped it up...we towed it on a line behind a canoe, dredging sand and mud; we left it on the floor of my old rusty beater Volkswagen, we never cleaned it after sessions...and it never failed. Not once. In the end, we shot it for group and it was good for 4-5 inches at 25 yards with 9mm ball. My friend bought it and for all I know it's still his car gun.
Of course, your mileage may differ...
Michael B
I've been evaluating guns since the 1970s, and over the years I've moved farther and farther way from flat expletives like, "that brand is junk" or "this brand is great," largely because some of the so-called junk brands have produced spectacular models while some of the gold-standard companies have produced bad clunkers. I also try to compare notes with other people who write about guns...you'd be surprised (or maybe not) how often we end up with diametrically opposed opinions.
One of the more instructive lessons I learned as in the 1980s when I was sent a TEC-9 "assault pistol" for T&E. I don't recall requesting it, but it showed up at my FFL dealer with my name on it, I thought, "Oh, what the heck?"
At the time I was a hot-shot IPSC shooter, with all the snootiness that might imply. I shot a Wilson Master Grade in competition, appropriately, as I had co-authored THE COMBAT .45 AUTO with Bill Wilson. I was working with a lot of LEO trainers, yada yada...Mr. Gun Snob Hisself.
So my friend and I cooked up the ultimate TEC-9 test...we would shoot the darn thing to pieces. I gathered up not only super hot European and Israeli 9mm submachinegun ammunition, which I knew for a fact would rattle a Hi-Power apart in a few magazines, but also my box of Michael's Screw-Up Reloads, all the 9mm rounds I'd botched up over a period of years. Some were double-loaded, some were loaded with heaven knows what, some had been festering in the box for 7 years or so and I had no idea why I threw them in the box. Maybe they were radioactive.
Short story is the darn POS ate it all up, subgun rounds, double loaded 9mms, whatever trash we loaded in it, the TEC-9 perked right on. So we ramped it up...we towed it on a line behind a canoe, dredging sand and mud; we left it on the floor of my old rusty beater Volkswagen, we never cleaned it after sessions...and it never failed. Not once. In the end, we shot it for group and it was good for 4-5 inches at 25 yards with 9mm ball. My friend bought it and for all I know it's still his car gun.
Of course, your mileage may differ...
Michael B
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