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"It depends on how you define "homogenous" I suppose."

I wouldn't use any country in Europe as an example. They've been trading people back and forth between countries for centuries. Armies, refugees, colonial subjects and on and on.

Look what happened when the English invaded Ireland and colonized part of it with Scots. Heck, look at what happened to England when the Angles and Saxons invaded England from the continent and took over. And then the Normans did it to them later on. The word homogenous doesn't come to mind.


Fwiw, I read an article a few months ago that estimated there are 10 million AK-47s in Yemen with a population of 24 million.
 
Do you really think gun control laws are obeyed

...by those with criminal intent?

Look at John Hinkleys attempt to asassinate President Reagan.

The law said... persons of unsound mind shall not possess firearms
Hinckley was of unsound mind, and had firearms, ANYWAY.

The Law says...it is unlawful to kill (anyone, in any manner)
Hinkley tried to kill, ANYWAY.

The Law says, Presidents of the USA are protected from harm.
Hinkley targeted Pres Reagan, ANYWAY.

Etc., etc.

Hinckley also violated gun control laws of the state he came from, the state where he assaulted the President, and Federal gun control laws.

The President was supposedly protected by all of those laws, not to mention all of the Secret Service body guards, and the protective processes and procedures.

Hinkley ignored all prohibitions.

Just like all OUTlaws, he acted outside the law, all laws. More laws are as readily ignored as currently applicable laws.

I was a Texas prison guard when then Governor Ann Richards would not allow a non-binding referendum on concealed carry laws to be placed on the state ballot. Out of curiosity, I started asking inmates (convicted felons) their opinion of a law that would allow law abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons. None of them liked the idea. One inmate stated, "It's no fun to hunt when the rabbit has a gun". The problem, for criminals, is that they don't know WHICH rabbit has a gun. The more armed rabbits, the fewer rabbit hunters!

Also, to the man, they all intended to carry a gun (even though THE LAW says felons cannot) when they were released from prison. The most enlightening info was the REASON - personal protection!

Once you understand the criminal mindset, you know that gun control laws don't control OUTLAWS.
 
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"Manta, before you point an accusing finger at the U.S. regarding possession of "illegal" firearms, I think you should take a look at your I.R.A."

Seeing as how he listed his address as "Northern Island, UK", I doubt that he's a supporter of the IRA or Sinn Feine. You are correct. And they are not my IRA.
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Some interesting replies plenty for me to think about. :)

The IRA like al-Qaeda is a terrorist organization with lots of money and organisation behind them. I was talking more about supply of guns to muggers bank robbers and other people that shouldn't have them.

PS. I am not pointing a accusing finger at anyone just some thoughts i was having maybe America has got the balance right.
 
Just another thought: Just because some countries have strict gun laws does not mean they're necessarily safer or more civilized. Picture a muzzled pit-bull. That's what gun laws generally are, something to take away the teeth*. What it means is that all the people in that country aren't necessarily upright and moral, they just have the law chaining them down and when that chain is gone, what happens next might not be pretty.
An ideal society is a society where people can have freedom and the self-control not to abuse that freedom. A society that appears serene and peaceful on the outside but is made that way because of hidden chains doesn't change the fact that the society is flawed. If the average man is deemed untrustworthy by the rest, what kind of society is that?

*There's still the claws and the brain though.
 
The OP is espousing the popular European view that the U.S. is more violent because of the legal and illegal availibilty of guns here. I say HOGWASH.
 
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The OP is espousing the popular European view that the U.S. is more violent

because of the legal and illegal availibilty of guns here. I say HOGWASH.

Then take the part of Europe i live in the UK . There is less gun crime in the


UK than America why do you think that is. ?

PS. when i read about carrying 2 guns and carrying in the shower church ect are you surprised that someone reading that might think it must be a dangerous place to live.
 
Most of the violent gun crime in America is gang on gang gun crime, or inner city crime using illegal guns. The U.S. is a much larger country with more popluation concentrated in urban areas. Comparing the U.S. to the UK is not relevant based upon the size, and social make up of the U.S., not availibility of guns.

Outside of the poorer, densely populated sections of inner cities, the U.S. is no more violent, and maybe less violent than Europe.
 
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