End to ALL caliber wars!!!

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Tactical Jackalope

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Yes...Finally....An end to it all.

It's all about shot placement. As we have been told for ages and ages. I'm posting this because it is not common that someone almost dies from a pellet gun..Yes..Pellet gun. .177


.177


Hit the man in his heart. Clogged and artery. And got stuck in his back muscle.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/05/31/fiu-student-shot-in-the-heart-by-girlfriend-on-dare/


There is the link. They were apparently being careless and the boyfriend told the girlfriend to shoot him with the .177 caliber pellet and she did and this was the outcome.
 
End to ALL caliber wars!!!

Before this get closed down, as a "drive by" It's like a .22lr through a human, as to a 44mag through a grizzly.
 
According to the news story, it is a miracle he survived. Doctors said he survived because HIS HEART IS ABNORMAL :eek:

"Fortunately for Mendigutia the unusual construction of his heart allowed blood to flow to the opposite side of his left anterior descending artery, despite the blockage."
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And you can't honestly compare a pellet gun to a .22lr:p
 
Shot placement (sp) and caliber (c) is inversely proportional. As noted by reputable sources, a person struck in the hand by a .45 will be spun around and thrown whereas a .22 will merely sting.

Mathematically: sp = 1/c
 
Shot placement (sp) and caliber (c) is inversely proportional. As noted by reputable sources, a person struck in the hand by a .45 will be spun around and thrown whereas a .22 will merely sting.
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Tuzo, that's like the people who say "I would be safer carrying a pointy stick than a .380 ACP pistol." Or my favorite..."If you want to kill anything bigger than a germ, carry 9MM or higher." These are actual quotes I got from posts in other forums.

I also had a guy who told me once that he carried a 10MM because it was the only gun that would guarantee a kill 100% of the time, no matter where he hit an attacker. :p
 
Clogged and artery. [sic]
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Some people can even do that without being shot. Counting on your assailant being one of them, though, is a bad tactical assumption.

The growing trend of ignoring data and pretending that anecdotes aren't outliers disturbs me. I wish TFL would create a "ballistics" sub-forum where we can explicitly permit discussion of terminal ballistics, avoiding all the "forget the numbers, just shoot better" posts. Quashing interesting discussion all the time does nothing for us nerds who like numbers ;) .
 
+1 on the ballistic sub-forum, I too would like to see a data base that addressed the effectiveness of various calibers, barrel lengths, bullet designs and so forth.
 
People also die from choking on pretzels....

This story has nothing to do with effective handgun calibers, but it is interesting.
 
This is not the end to caliber wars.

I have a .22 caliber pellet rifle that will blow a .177 rifle away. If I just hit a rabbit in the toe with my .22 pellet rifle he will keel over dead.........try that with a tiny weak .177 pellet.:D
 
People have almost died by choking on a chocolate covered cherry but I'm not about to carry a box of them around with me.

Even the lowly .22 can clog up your system but the caliber wars will never end. Its not about having something eventually happen but the ability to stop the fit right then and there. This will still involve shot placement but there is honestly a limit on how small you should go in order to stop the attack sooner than later. I'm not going to go into numbers because it would start a caliber "war" which I have avoided for some time since in the end, nobody agrees and is just a waste of time. Just carry what you want and don't get into "discussions" about why your caliber is better than the other guys caliber. ;)
 
Definite Darwin Awards nominees. Too bad the damage wasn't elsewhere to keep the two of them from pro-creating.
(Sorry, I just had to get one ignorant posting out of the way. If I didn't post this, someone else would have.)
 
I once almost died from being dumb enough to take a big smell of a jar of freshly ground horseradish that I had left in my car while at work one summer day. I really thought I was going to choke to death. I coughed, wheezed, and choked for several minutes. True story. Hot horseradish fumes have definite man stopping potential, but I do not recommend this for HD/PD.
 
The article (for all of you who didn't read it) clearly says that he survived because he has a deformed heart, and the blood flow in his heart is different from that of a normal heart.

The doctors said it was nothing short of a miracle that this abnormality allowed him to survive being shot in the heart.

And I think we can all agree that a pellet is nowhere near similar to what a .22lr can do....so it's comparing apples and oranges.
 
It is all about shot placement. Kinetic energy, knockdown power, etc have little to nothing to do with it. Go to the following link and read for yourself.

http://www.mdtstraining.com/Wound_Ballistics_101.pdf
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I looked over this document. I noted with interest the following excerpts from the "conclusions" portion of this paper:

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Any bullet which will not penetrate through vital organs from less than optimal angles is not acceptable. Of those that will penetrate, the edge is always with the bigger bullet.

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An easy 'rule of thumb' is to go with a major brand and the heaviest bullet weight in a given calibre. That equates to 147gr/9mm, 180gr/.40, 230gr/.45, but there are some oddballs that give very good performance while being at odd with this.

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This seems a far cry from proving that "It is all about shot placement," as you said in your post, Mercenary. It seems very clearly to be saying that given adequate penetration, a larger caliber round and heavier bullet are better. This would suggest to me that a 45ACP will be better than a 9MM if they both penetrate adequately. Am I missing something?
 
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