Embittered insiders turn against Bush
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Democrat Advantage
One thing that the democrats seem to have one up on the republicans is that they look out for their own. I remember that many demo's came out to defend Clinton during all his sorted affairs. If a republican took a shot old Bubba, their were those ready to defend him.
How many republicans can you think of that have come out in defense of this president. Even when Hugo Chavez was here throwing barbs at our president, the silence from the republicans was deafening. I heard one politician come to Bush's defense. It was Charles Wrangle of all people. He said that a leader like him has no business bad mouthing our administration.
The republicans can learn some from the democrats.
One thing that the democrats seem to have one up on the republicans is that they look out for their own. I remember that many demo's came out to defend Clinton during all his sorted affairs. If a republican took a shot old Bubba, their were those ready to defend him.
How many republicans can you think of that have come out in defense of this president. Even when Hugo Chavez was here throwing barbs at our president, the silence from the republicans was deafening. I heard one politician come to Bush's defense. It was Charles Wrangle of all people. He said that a leader like him has no business bad mouthing our administration.
The republicans can learn some from the democrats.
*sigh*
Kindly show where in ANY of my posts on ANY board I blamed Islam, period, full stop. Or for that matter said Christianity was more holy, or that Christians haven't done some pretty horrific things in their history (though that you have to go back CENTURIES to find anything approaching what the Jihadis are doing TODAY should be a telling sign).
Yes, we have nuts. Christian Identity, Army of God, whatever. The point is.. here, they're OUTCASTS. Pariahs. When they do something bad, we as a society lock them up, or better yet stick a needle in their arm. We DONT blow more people up demanding they be freed to kill again.
In contrast, MAINSTREAM culture in the middle east glorifies dying for Jihad. Whether you're talking true believers like Ahmadinejad, or more secular leaders playing the Palestianian bombers for political points like Hussein - no reasonable person can look at the situation over there and NOT see that REAL religious radicals are a MUCH bigger part of the population and mainstream culture. To deny that is just to stick your head in the sand.
The worst your average fundamentalist here is going to ask for is sticking a creche in front of town hall tomorrow. And if they don't get it, nobody is going to get their head sawn off. Somehow I don't find that quite as threatenting as Sharia for some reason.
So far as Iraq proper.. yes, there's problems. Some big ones in fact. I contend though that MOST of those problems are self-inflicted - a result not of the war itself but of constantly trying to appease folks trying to score political points off it at home. But hey, when our own news stations are playing enemy propoganda and government-funded radio stations are spending an hour every night slandering the whole US military as a haven for rapists and torturers, what can you really expect?
The point is... as already noted - the blame game is not only pointless, it is distracting us from the bigger issue.
We WILL be confronting radicalized Jihadis. That was inevitable from the time they decided to take on the West again forty years ago. The Bush doctrine was to try to do it as painlessly as possible - for us AND for them - by changing the culture over there a country at a time. Frankly, I think that was the right decision - in strategy if not always in tactics.
The alternative - and what is becoming increasingly likely as support for the Iraq engagement wanes in the face of CONSTANT bad press - is a much bigger conflagration later.
If we do give up, you WILL see Shehab-3s with Korean-bought or Iranian-made nuclear warheads on their way to Tel Aviv and Europe. And you WILL see a nuclear response.
A little blood now or a lot later -- that's the only choice we have.
Oh, here's the results of about five minutes searching for examples:
http://memri.org/jihad.html
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=SP130506
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/06/wiran06.xml
http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=146
http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=156
Knowing the Enemy: Jihadist Ideology and the War on Terror
amd of course..
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/
There's a LOT out there.
..answer me this, what Christians and/or their leaders are preaching death to anybody?..are you seeing Christians in the streets anywhere vowing revenge and burning flags or effigies of anyone??....no, mostly and almost entirely it is muslims....fact....fact...fact....and in this age of close-border, instant travel, and potential weapons of unheard-of before destruction..the world cannot afford in the least, a religion that preaches and practices murder and violence on a large scale...the world of isolation does not exist any longer...watch arab tv and you'll see defamation of entire nations and culture wholesale...listen to those who grew up in middle east countries who have the courage to publicly speak out on such things at their own peril...who are writing books, speaking on radio and tv trying to wake others up that the danger is real and present and being taught to the young and gullible in those countries...take a look at the plight of Christians in Lebanon...do I have to go on and on????..I'm not going to waste my time on fools who insist on not believing the truth...they haven't the brains to learn..
Perhaps I should have said mainstream MEDIA, particularly in Iran.
But if a kid's cartoon glorifying suicide bombing, film of huge crowds of people screaming about bombing us and "nuclear 'energy' is our right", little kids being taught "Jews are pigs and dogs," government officials talking about us burning in the fires of their hatred, yadda yadda.. then you're just not going to be convinced.
Not till the next 9/11. Maybe.
But if a kid's cartoon glorifying suicide bombing, film of huge crowds of people screaming about bombing us and "nuclear 'energy' is our right", little kids being taught "Jews are pigs and dogs," government officials talking about us burning in the fires of their hatred, yadda yadda.. then you're just not going to be convinced.
Not till the next 9/11. Maybe.
Who, Falwell? He's the guy who said that God allowed Sept. 11th to happen because of all the feminists, Pagans, and homosexuals. Oddly enough, that's exactly the same reason that Osama gave.
Pat Robertson: issued a fatwa against Hugo Chavez earlier this year.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/24/opinion/smith/main793613.shtml
Westboro Baptist church: They've been preaching...well...look for yourself.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/
Here's a fun little quiz to illustrate just how different Western religious zealots are from Middle Eastern ones. Have fun and good luck.
http://www.funnystrange.com/quiz/
[edit] I got 11 out of 20.
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Pat Robertson: issued a fatwa against Hugo Chavez earlier this year.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/24/opinion/smith/main793613.shtml
Westboro Baptist church: They've been preaching...well...look for yourself.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/
Here's a fun little quiz to illustrate just how different Western religious zealots are from Middle Eastern ones. Have fun and good luck.
http://www.funnystrange.com/quiz/
[edit] I got 11 out of 20.
[/edit]When thousands are chanting the same thing in the street, it becomes mainstream society. Or close enough as not to matter. Heck, radical Jihadis are doing the same thing in Europe already.
Excruciatingly weak response.
Kindly see above about "pariahs."
When anyone from that closet-case's so-called "church" actually kills somebody and churches across the nation are screaming "good job, do it some more" you'll have a point. For now... not only different ballpark, different UNIVERSE.
(though yeah, I'd like to see 'em in jail on incitement to riot and a half-dozen other charges myself).
Far, far less than you claim. The Jihadi movement started well before we a notable presence in the middle east, and DEFINATELY well before we were on friendly terms with Israel. Kindly read above book "Knowing the Enemy" for a more detailed history.
There were hella lotta nutjobs over there before the internal combusion engine existed, oil was discovered as a resource, etc etc. The only thing that's changed is now that they have a qausi-rational sounding casus belli and more importantly the cash to bring the battle to us (again).
Fine with me.
I promise I won't say "I told you so" when Tel Aviv is glowing.
It's not what they say. Jack Chick says equally nutty things, but all he does is put out stupid little comic books. Got no problem with that, it's a free country and all.
Phelps however is deliberatly provoking parents and family members at the funerals of their recently killed loved ones. I'd like to see them jailed for a while every time they try that stunt for the same reason you don't let people open up the door to the lion cage at the zoo and poke the big cats with a stick. Eventually somebody's gonna crack, and somebody's gonna die.
You to. Our bird was delish, hope yours was good to.
similar to post vietnam era (?)
Unfortunately, I think the Iraq experience may tend to make our nation unwilling to intervene internationally when it is needed, and when it is the right thing to do. The same thing happened after Vietnam. Not until Reagan were we willing to use force outside our borders.
Unfortunately, I think the Iraq experience may tend to make our nation unwilling to intervene internationally when it is needed, and when it is the right thing to do. The same thing happened after Vietnam. Not until Reagan were we willing to use force outside our borders.