Embittered insiders turn against Bush

rick_reno

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Looks like the rats are jumping off the Ship of Fools.

The weekend after the statue of Saddam Hussein fell, Kenneth Adelman and a couple of other promoters of the Iraq war gathered at Vice President Cheney's residence to celebrate. The invasion had been the "cakewalk" Adelman predicted. Cheney and his guests raised their glasses, toasting President Bush and victory. "It was a euphoric moment," Adelman recalled.

Forty-three months later, the cakewalk looks more like a death march, and Adelman has broken with the Bush team. He had an angry falling-out with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld this fall. He and Cheney are no longer on speaking terms. And he believes that "the president is ultimately responsible" for what Adelman now calls "the debacle that was Iraq."

Adelman, a former Reagan administration official and onetime member of the Iraq war brain trust, is only the latest voice from inside the Bush circle to speak out against the president or his policies. Heading into the final chapter of his presidency, fresh from the sting of a midterm election defeat, Bush finds himself with fewer and fewer friends. Some of the strongest supporters of the war have grown disenchanted, former insiders are registering public dissent and Republicans on Capitol Hill blame him for losing Congress.

Trials of a lame duck
A certain weary crankiness sets in with any administration after six years. By this point in Bill Clinton's tenure, bitter Democrats were competing to denounce his behavior with an intern even as they were trying to fight off his impeachment. Ronald Reagan was deep in the throes of the Iran-contra scandal. But Bush's strained relations with erstwhile friends and allies take on an extra edge of bitterness amid the dashed hopes of the Iraq venture.

"There are a lot of lives that are lost," Adelman said in an interview last week. "A country's at stake. A region's at stake. This is a gigantic situation. . . . This didn't have to be managed this bad. It's just awful."

The sense of Bush abandonment accelerated during the final weeks of the campaign with the publication of a former aide's book accusing the White House of moral hypocrisy and with Vanity Fair quoting Adelman, Richard N. Perle and other neoconservatives assailing White House leadership of the war.

Since the Nov. 7 elections, Republicans have pinned their woes on the president.

"People expect a level of performance they are not getting," former House speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) said in a speech. Many were livid that Bush waited until after the elections to oust Rumsfeld.

"If Rumsfeld had been out, you bet it would have made a difference," Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) said on television. "I'd still be chairman of the Judiciary Committee."

Return of the old guard
And so, in what some saw as a rebuke, Senate Republicans restored Trent Lott (Miss.) to their leadership four years after the White House helped orchestrate his ouster, with some saying they could no longer place their faith entirely in Bush.

Some insiders said the White House invited the backlash. "Anytime anyone holds themselves up as holy, they're judged by a different standard," said David Kuo, a former deputy director of the Bush White House's faith-based initiatives who wrote "Tempting Faith," a book that accused the White House of pandering to Christian conservatives. "And at the end of the day, this was a White House that held itself up as holy."

Richard N. Haass, a former top Bush State Department official and now president of the Council on Foreign Relations, said a radically different approach to world affairs naturally generates criticism. "The emphasis on promotion of democracy, the emphasis on regime change, the war of choice in Iraq -- all of these are departures from the traditional approach," he said, "so it's not surprising to me that it generates more reaction."

Bickering in the open
The willingness to break with Bush also underscores the fact that the president spent little time courting many natural allies in Washington, according to some Republicans. GOP leaders in Congress often bristled at what they perceived to be a do-what-we-say approach by the White House. Some of those who did have more personal relationships with Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld came to feel the sense of disappointment more acutely because they believed so strongly in the goals the president laid out for his administration.

The arc of Bush's second term has shown that the most powerful criticism originates from the inside. The pragmatist crowd around Colin L. Powell began speaking out nearly two years ago after he was eased out as secretary of state. Powell lieutenants such as Haass, Richard L. Armitage, Carl W. Ford Jr. and Lawrence B. Wilkerson took public the policy debates they lost on the inside. Many who worked in Iraq returned deeply upset and wrote books such as "Squandered Victory" (Larry Diamond) and "Losing Iraq" (David L. Phillips). Military and CIA officials unloaded after leaving government, culminating in the "generals' revolt" last spring when retired flag officers called for Rumsfeld's dismissal.

Neocons say Bush botched it
On the domestic side, Bush allies in Congress, interest groups and the conservative media broke their solidarity with the White House out of irritation over a number of issues, including federal spending, illegal immigration, the Supreme Court nomination of Harriet Miers, the response to Hurricane Katrina and the Dubai Ports World deal.

Most striking lately, though, has been the criticism from neoconservatives who provided the intellectual framework for Bush's presidency. Perle, Adelman and others advocated a robust use of U.S. power to advance the ideals of democracy and freedom, targeting Hussein's Iraq as a threat that could be turned into an opportunity.

In an interview last week, Perle said the administration's big mistake was occupying the country rather than creating an interim Iraqi government led by a coalition of exile groups to take over after Hussein was toppled. "If I had known that the U.S. was going to essentially establish an occupation, then I'd say, 'Let's not do it,' " and instead find another way to target Hussein, Perle said. "It was a foolish thing to do."

Turning on an old friend?
Perle, head of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board at the time of the 2003 invasion, said he still believes the invasion was justified. But he resents being called "the architect of the Iraq war," because "my view was different from the administration's view from the very beginning" about how to conduct it. "I am not critical now of anything about which I was not critical before," he said. "I've said it more publicly."

White House officials tend to brush off each criticism by claiming it was over-interpreted or misguided. "I just fundamentally disagree," Cheney said of the comments by Perle, Adelman and other neoconservatives before the midterm elections. Others close to the White House said the neoconservatives are dealing with their own sense of guilt over how events have turned out and are eager to blame Bush to avoid their own culpability.

Joshua Muravchik, a neoconservative at the American Enterprise Institute, said he is distressed "to see neocons turning on Bush" but said he believes they should admit mistakes and openly discuss what went wrong. "All of us who supported the war have to share some of the blame for that," he said. "There's a question to be sorted out: whether the war was a sound idea but very badly executed. And if that's the case, it appears to me the person most responsible for the bad execution was Rumsfeld, and it means neocons should not get too angry at Bush about that."

Vision test
It may also be, he said, that the mistake was the idea itself -- that Iraq could serve as a democratic beacon for the Middle East. "That part of our plan is down the drain," Muravchik said, "and we have to think about what we can do about keeping alive the idea of democracy."

Few of the original promoters of the war have grown as disenchanted as Adelman. The chief of Reagan's arms control agency, Adelman has been close to Cheney and Rumsfeld for decades and even worked for Rumsfeld at one point. As a member of the Defense Policy Board, he wrote in The Washington Post before the Iraq war that it would be "a cakewalk."

But in interviews with Vanity Fair, the New Yorker and The Post, Adelman said he became unhappy about the conduct of the war soon after his ebullient night at Cheney's residence in 2003. The failure to find weapons of mass destruction disturbed him. He said he was disgusted by the failure to stop the looting that followed Hussein's fall and by Rumsfeld's casual dismissal of it with the phrase "stuff happens." The breaking point, he said, was Bush's decision to award Medals of Freedom to occupation chief L. Paul Bremer, Gen. Tommy R. Franks and then-CIA Director George J. Tenet.

"The three individuals who got the highest civilian medals the president can give were responsible for a lot of the debacle that was Iraq," Adelman said. All told, he said, the Bush national security team has proved to be "the most incompetent" of the past half-century. But, he added, "Obviously, the president is ultimately responsible."

‘Nobody was getting it’
Adelman said he remained silent for so long out of loyalty. "I didn't want to bad-mouth the administration," he said. In private, though, he spoke out, resulting in a furious confrontation with Rumsfeld, who summoned him to the Pentagon in September and demanded his resignation from the defense board.

Most troubling, he said, are his shattered ideals: "The whole philosophy of using American strength for good in the world, for a foreign policy that is really value-based instead of balanced-power-based, I don't think is disproven by Iraq. But it's certainly discredited."
 
All these remarks and accusations are typical of the politics of a loss, mainly to distance themselves from a failed election bid that they themselves had a major role in the making of, never mind that the people can see through this sham, they will buy it hook line and sinker, right down to the bitter end, the truth is none of them have the intestinal fortitude to assume any responsibility of the failure themselves and the sole purpose of these public statements is to hopefully garner a bid for favor or re-election for themselves or their party.

And the sad part is, they call themselves men, and Patriots. They make my stomach roll.
 
I saw the article in the Post this morning. Is the Washington Post a GREAT newspaper or what? I'm telling you, they're right on top of things. Timely, honest, fair and balanced when it concerns the Redskins, they've got it all. ;)

And widely respected amongst the world's intelligensia. I forgot that. Good comics, too. They're my favorite part.

John
 
Wait a sec, here we have several of the architects of our foreign policy openly breaking ranks and finally calling a spade a spade and all you guys can say is it's partisain hoopla by a wacko newspaper and to call someone who cares?

Sheesh, what is it gonna take for some of you guys??
 
NeoCon and Bush

They were wrong on Iraq, and now they are all turning on each others.
I think is was a monumental foreign affairs fiasco, and we as a country
will have to suffer for this one. It is easy for us to dismiss it as our
leader's failure, but I wish someone would call into attention that
more than 2800 of our soldier's have died, and tens of thousands of
our soldiers have been injured and we have destroyed a country which
never have done anything wrong to us(directly)....that is.
The older Dad Bush is smarter!
 
Pucker,
I think both you and these guys both have a point. The Neo-cons are fussing about the administration botching their "perfect" plan. The commentators are fussing about how the Republicans weren't Republican enough and didn't deserve their support. The Congress-critters are griping about how it's Dubya's fault that they lost their re-election bid...and of course the White House is going on about how the public expects more Conservatism.

What you don't hear is any mea culpas, meaning that none of them have learned anything. They're all at fault for bringing about this defeat.
 
They call it the stupid party and with good reason ! Where were these Republicans as a monster new bureaucracy [Homeland Security] was formed ,when spending reached new highs ,when the Pres refused to do anything about the huge problem of illegal immigration ???? It's a llitle late to do anything now.:mad:
 
I'm no fan of Bush, and ultimately he is responsible for what happens in his administration. That said, no President is an expert at everything. That is why they need advisor's. His father surrounded himself with very capable men and women. GWB surrounded himself with a bunch of spineless, ideologue, clowns. Now they are fleeing like rats from a sinking ship. It's just disgusting.
 
Pucker said:
Wait a sec, here we have several of the architects of our foreign policy openly breaking ranks and finally calling a spade a spade and all you guys can say is it's partisain hoopla by a wacko newspaper and to call someone who cares?

Sheesh, what is it gonna take for some of you guys??
What it is going to take is information from some kind of trusted source (or enough repetition). What is not convincing is a quote from a left wing establishment propaganda machine like the Washington Post. Most assuredly repeated posts from the same usernames here on TFL on a daily basis will not sway most of those here that don't hold the same political opinions.

The history on this won't be written for 20-50 years. Today, you make the best decision you can in the propaganda swamp we call news.
 
A new Secretary of Defense and a new found Democratic majority Congress will make it clear soon enough that they don't actually have better ideas.
 
The Democrats who have conjured up this "Bush's War" crap or "the debacle that was Iraq" are responsible for both. They voted for the use of force in Iraq then act as if they didn't and fight against it. They also created ,for political gain, an antiwar uprising that I believe tied the hands of the administration. Instead of concentrating on winning the Bush administration was forced to hold back in Iraq as to not give the Democrats any more ammunition. Through papers like the Washington Post and the liberal media machine lies like "he lied about WMD's" were pushed as fact despite the endless sources that said Iraq indeed had WMD's including most of the accusers and the previous administration.

Bush is ultimately responsible but for me his greatest problem was not proving the Democrats to be the liars that the facts said they were. With his inability articulate and lack of desire to get down and dirty to fight the false charges against his administration, I would jump off that ship myself.
 
Instead of concentrating on winning the Bush administration was forced to hold back in Iraq as to not give the Democrats any more ammunition.

So what you are saying is that Bush decided to play politics instead of concentrate on winning the war?
 
So what you are saying is that Bush decided to play politics instead of concentrate on winning the war?

Why does it need to be rephrased so as to be controversial? Show me a war wherein politics was not a factor.
 
"Wait a sec, here we have several of the architects of our foreign policy openly breaking ranks and finally calling a spade a spade and all you guys can say is it's partisain hoopla by a wacko newspaper and to call someone who cares?

Sheesh, what is it gonna take for some of you guys??"

Why is so many people on this board think everybody is stupid but them? There are good reasons for many things in this world. Keep reading for my answer to your question.

Facts, time, a better source. The opinion of the Washington Post won't do it for me.

I've been reading the Post since we moved to D.C. (Rockville MD) in '63 just in time to start the 8th grade. That covers a lot of administrations all the way back to JFK and politicians leaving an administration say all sorts of things (as they continue to look for a good job someplace else.) I don't trust very much of what the Post prints whether it's about the GOP or the DEMs.

Why do I keep reading it? Just to keep in touch with the so-called Beltway Bandits and have a sense of which way the wind is blowing in the hallowed halls of Congress.

John
 
Eghad,

So what you are saying is that Bush decided to play politics instead of concentrate on winning the war?

Yep. The Democrats politicized the war and that forced Bush to react in a damage control type way. Ultimately the blame rests with Bush however you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what the Dem's did to force such reaction. Our soldiers pay in blood for the democrats flip flopping on the war as well as Bush's failure to ignore it and do what it takes to win regardless.
 
Yep. The Democrats politicized the war and that forced Bush to react in a damage control type way. Ultimately the blame rests with Bush however you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what the Dem's did to force such reaction. Our soldiers pay in blood for the democrats flip flopping on the war as well as Bush's failure to ignore it and do what it takes to win regardless.

So only Republicans voted yes to give him authorization to use force in Iraq and only Republicans voted yes for funding for the war every time? I guess the Democrats held a gun to his head and forced Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld to invade Iraq. Bush and Rumsfeld did quite well shooting themselves in the foot without blaming anyone else.
 
It was a bi partisan yes vote for use of force in Iraq. The Democrats who almost unanimously voted for war suddenly turned against it and acted as if they had never authorized or funded it.
 
Well said, Bud and threegun.

The time to debate the war stops when the first American boot touches foreign soil. Once that happens, the time for whining, finger pointing, and blame is over. The only question is "how do we win?" not "when can we leave?" To do otherwise is to guarantee another VietNam generation, and betray another generation of our finest. I would have hoped we would have learned that lesson three decades ago. Sadly, many have not.

Now that part's just basic respect for the people we have in harm's way. More importantly is the stakes we're playing for. Right next door in Iran we have an Armageddon-crazed fanatic, who's been sending aid and weapons to the folks shooting missles into Israel trying to stir up a war. Frakkin' Hamas won popular elections for the Palestinian parliament.

If we leave now, we'll leave a power vacuum that will be filled with nutjob radical islamists, of either the "bring on the Caliphate and then take the world" variety or the "bring on the Messiah and end the world" variety. Either way, they'll do a heck of a lot of damage to the western world if they get the chance to keep building up strength.

To those that just haven't gotten the memo - this is a war that will follow us home if we turn tail and come home.

Frankly, I can't begin to say how sickened I am with those who've turned the war into a political issue. There is so much bigger a picture going on than the so-called "War in Iraq."

At this rate, the sole poor consolation I see is that the modern Neville Chamberlains in Manhattan or the EU will be the first to see that bright flash some morning that wakes the rest of us up.
 
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