Dumb newbie question

frumious said:
Why couldn't they fire one rapidly? If your trigger finger is decently strong, you should be able to fire one as fast as you can pull the trigger.
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If you are talking about a semi-auto, my answer is as follows:

Consider the fully automatic weapon. Most (if not all) of today's battle rifles are selective fire, 1) Semi-auto (one cartridge fired per trigger pull, then you have to release and pull again) and 2) Fully Automatic, the gun cycles and fires as long as you hold the trigger down (or it runs out of ammunition).

There is a minimum time between firings, governed by how quickly the action cycles. Pull the trigger on a semi-automatic and you are pulling it while the slide or bolt is still out of position, a round is not fully chambered yet and nothing happens. You CANNOT go any faster by finger action because the GUN's action is not that fast.

You CAN speed thing up by lightening the action parts, but there still will be a minimum and well-practiced revolver shooters (with tuned revolvers, naturally) can still beat them.

If you are talking about a revolver, my answer is, "you can", as long as you don't break anything.

Lost Sheep

P.S. Of course, there is the mini-gun, which is kind of a cross between semi-automatic and revolver and beats everything. But that is taking things from the sublime to the ridiculous as far as the original thread subject is concerned. up to 6,000 rounds per minute. That's ten per second. yes. no misprint.
 
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Good point, LS, although I know that at least *I* can't pull the trigger on any of my semiautos faster than the cycle time :eek:

-cls
 
Two more words:

Bob Munden

Just to not leave the single action only revolver out in the cold;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7HN7THecwg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRXXxQ1OuDc&feature=related

and for you semi-auto fans, here is an example of firing a semi-auto with a technique known as "bump firing", terribly inaccurate, but capable of hitting the maximum in rounds per minute. Bump firing cannot be done with a properly functioning double action only semi-auto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELol1dHjHEE&feature=related

Lost Sheep
 
circa81 said:
First I want to apologize for sounding so dumb, but because of a law here, I can't even touch a gun without buying an expensive permit
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If you can (legally) get hold of a replica gun or a real gun that has been disabled from firing (but the action operating parts still function), there is absolutely no difference in how a revolver works between the replica and the real thing. Except there is no recoil.

Whereabouts do you live?

Lost Sheep
 
Go elsewhere

Can you take a day trip to Pennsylvania?

I don't believe they will have to see your permit to SHOW you a gun or two.

New York State gun laws seem to be less restrictive than Connecticut. A NY store would probably LOVE to develop good relationships with a CT resident who just might come back with a permit to purchase. A continuous state can legally (Federal law, but I don't know about NY law) sell to a neighboring state's resident.

Lost Sheep
 
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SA-- has an easy trigger pull because you have already cocked the hammer with your thumb.

DA-- has a hard trigger pull because your trigger finger is doing the cocking action.

I hope that helps. Have a nice day. :)
 
SA-- has an easy(er) trigger pull because you have already cocked the hammer with your thumb.
DA-- has a hard(er) trigger pull because your trigger finger is doing the cocking action (and rotating the cylinder).
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Fixed it for ya. :)

In addition a DAO revolver is typically about the same internally as a DA revolver but it doesn't have the SA sear. The hammer will probably be bobbed or enclosed to discourage folks from trying to thumb it back and then being surprised when it doesn't stay there. :eek:
 
The (two) above poster(s) hit it pretty simply.

Revolvers are a different animal than a semi-auto.

Most shooters of revolvers only practice shooting single action on a SA/DA revolvers.
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Guilty! :o Only recently have I discovered shooting DA. I feel like I have a whole new set of guns.
 
Double Action Practice

I have recently shooting my DA/SA revolvers almost exclusively in double-action mode due to self defense considerations. I believe it is faster to shoot in DA than to take the time to cock the trigger. I very often practice double taps in DA. My EDC is a DAO S&W 642. I do still make it a point to shoot in SA a few times if I can in case I want to take a better aim at something not quite so threatening.
 
As I said, 44 Amp got it right, but even he left out the fact that three things happen with a DA (double action) revolver (as opposed to a semi-automatic's two things). With a DA revolver, the cylinder rotates in addition to "cocking" (or drawing back) the hammer and releasing the hammer.
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Yes, I did leave that out. Intentionally, as it happens when you cock the hammer in both SA and DA modes. I will grant that the proper definition of cocked is the hammer egaged at full stand by the sear, BUT, for the purpose of function the fact that the DA revolver does release the hammer before it engages the SA sear is immaterial. DA "cocks" the hammer enough that, when released, the gun fires. This happening due to one long continous pull of the trigger is what basically defines double action. The rotation of the cylinder to line up a cartridge with the barrel is not counted as a trigger action, because it it caused by the movement of the hammer.

If it were caused directly by the trigger, it probably could be called "triple action. Since the term DA was originally meant to refer to the actions of the trigger, moving (cocking) and releasing the hammer, cylinder rotation (due to hammer movement) wasn't considered a trigger function.

Usually when we say "cocked" it is implied that we are talking about "full cock", meaning the hammer is fully cocked and held in place by the sear. But in some designs there is a difference between cocked and fully cocked. A gun with a half cock notch, can be cocked, or can be fully cocked.

When discussing the DA trigger cycle, "cocked" refers to the hammer at its maximum "cock", just short of being caught and held by the SA sear, a position it occupies only momentarily as the trigger is pulled through.

At least, that's the way I see it.;)
 
Because DAO semi's aren't known for their speed.
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Is that your final word?

For what?

SD?

At what distance?

What's your skill level with each, and other's?

Hitting what your shooting at is all, and I'm sorry if I missed something.:rolleyes:

I think hes confusing double action revolvers with double action autos.
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I'm sure he's never shot a Glock. The first time I shot one, I didn't know they were SA, and they're not.:eek:
 
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