Dry Run?

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You're quibbling, 'Frank'. Semantic gymnastics and ad hominem attacks (stupid, goofy, nervous, chicken little)
are not getting our problem solved.

You were asked a specific question i.e. 'what would you do?' If we're to depend on YOU to save this country from another attack, we need a decisive, detailed answer (charts, graphs, policies, proceedures, timetables, task assignments, areas of responsibility, supervision and oversight, chain of command, etc.) and we need it quick. We can't afford to keep going over this with you. Time is of the essence here.

You're not gonna let us down here, are ya. I'm beginning to think there's nothing behind that keyboard. Make me a believer, 'Frank'.
 
You were asked a specific question i.e. 'what would you do?' If we're to depend on YOU to save this country from another attack, we need a decisive, detailed answer (charts, graphs, policies, proceedures, timetables, task assignments, areas of responsibility, supervision and oversight, chain of command, etc.) and we need it quick. We can't afford to keep going over this with you. Time is of the essence here.
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Well if that's the case, why don't you just post your plan and I'll go over it point by point with you. Surely, my plan of using existing laws instead of duct tape is not nearly as thorough as yours. Bring out your sand tables and lets have a look. I vote we let Annie Jacobson in on the discussion too, since she's had experience with potential terrorists, knows what they look like, and is obviously has a greatly respected perspective on the issue.
 
Oh, I'm so sorry ,'Frank', but your time is up.

I posted a plan in an earlier response, prior to your various ravings, attacks and attempts to dodge the question at hand. We do, however, have some lovely parting gifts for you, including the home version of 'Let's Appease a Terrorist', the only board game played with your eyes tightly shut and your head buried in the sand.

Some of our contestants receive complimentry lodging at Democratic Underground! Yes, Democratic Underground, where you have to be far Left to be right.
 
These animals are flaunting our weak, helpless stupidity in our faces.

We know these people are among us; we know who they are.... It's time to begin rounding them up and deporting them; without possibility of re-entry. Those that resist should be shot. Those that are under suspicion of terrorist acts should be detained as enemy combatants.
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That's the big plan? Well, who are the terrorists among us (I'm sorry, I meant "these people") that haven't already been deported or shot? What are their names? And what's your standard of "suspicion"? If they make Annie nervous, they're suspicious enough to deport or shoot? Should we lower the standard for search and seizure from probable cause to Whatever Makes Annie Afraid, or just in the case of "those people"? Why not just round up all people who are of Middle Eastern descent and put them in camps like we did with the Japanese. That includes Jews. They're from the Middle East too, aren't they?
 
so if i'm understanding the jist of this whole thread, your talking about the same thing that happened during, what was it, world war II? where we rounded up all the oriental people, fearing that they may have ties with japan, and feared that they would help with the war against us? It worked then didn't it? granted that the US got hell for it and had to do a mass apology, but hey... if we're all, as a nation, safer for it... i'm for it....
 
so if i'm understanding the jist of this whole thread, your talking about the same thing that happened during, what was it, world war II? where we rounded up all the oriental people, fearing that they may have ties with japan, and feared that they would help with the war against us? It worked then didn't it? granted that the US got hell for it and had to do a mass apology, but hey... if we're all, as a nation, safer for it... i'm for it....
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Gee I guess since it worked so well with the "orientals" we should have rounded up all the Europeans too, since they might have had ties with the Germans, Italians, and all the rest of the Axis countries aligned against "us". But then there wouldn't have been anyone left except for African-Americans, Native-Americans, Australian-Americans and Eskimos. Glad "your" all for it though. China was a U.S. ally during WWII by the way.....Good thing they're not Oriental, huh? They might have got "rounded up".
 
No. Why IS it that certain people feel such a need to defend the "PC" thet they will completely rephrase a question or situation in order to marginalize the entire discussion?

No. What IS being said is that when a group of people, ESPECIALLY of an ethnicity known to harbor ill-will towards us, does exceedingly odd things on a passenger flight that group should at least be cornered and questioned. Observed. Watched. THAT group. Based on THEIR actions. Clear as mud?

Jeez. We have a situation in Wisconsin http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93431 where the police have evaced a six block area, confiscated random firearms, engaged in searches without warrants and LEO defending those actions on one forum while we have a supposed LEO here refusing to support a much more responsible action because it might offend based on skin color!!??!

Curioser and curioser...
 
FrankDrebin has posted the only logical, serious responces on this topic to date.
we have a supposed LEO here refusing to support a much more responsible action because it might offend based on skin color!!??!
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No, what I think he is saying is that a hysterical housewife who watches too much TV shouldn't be paid any attention too. It's not about offence but rather stupid stereotyping. i.e arabs in "full tradditional dress" and that making them terrorists, I mean really you not think that a little obvious? Also why would they need to do a dry run? on a actual hijacking are they going to pee for real that time? Paranoia runs deep.


That and that another hijacking is very unlikly if theres a second attack I doubt it will come from the air.

As frank said, money should be spent on intelligance rather than all these duct-tape measures. If theres a second attack it will happen it's doubtful it can be prevented so instead of all this airport security we should be spending money on FINDING these people so there are less of them to be able to do sucessful attacks.
 
Commenting on later posts, not the original topic.

where we rounded up all the oriental people, fearing that they may have ties with japan, and feared that they would help with the war against us? It worked then didn't it?
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Actually there is some evidence that this was very unnecessary. The overwhelming majority were loyal to the US. Certainly the generations born here was. This is for a simple reason, they were from a culture that taught loyalty to their country. "Their country" was the place they made their homes, not the place where everybody looked like them.
Conversely there is evidence that the German immigrants were precisely who they should have locked up. But the round eyed people do look alike.
Would we have tolerated brown shirted, swastika wearing Nordic types to threaten and disrupt air or rail travel in the late 30's or early 40's? Would we have been deliberately solicitous of them for fear of being accused of 'singling them out'? Would we have allowed them to move about freely in our society without the scrutiny necessary to ensure the security of our homes, communities and nation?
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Prior to WWII, yes, we would have. We would not have been solicitous of them for fear of singling them out, but rather because many sympathized with or believed the their anti-semetic cause. Would we have allowed them to disrupt our transportation system? No, but there would have been no need for them to. While politically we side with Great Britain, this would not have been a factor prior to 1939. Even then there were plenty - some major industrialists - who were on the side of the Germans.

Can we also try to discuss something without the personal mudslinging?
 
Umm, gents? We DID lock up Italians and Germans. Not all of them, but we had camps for "enemy aliens" who were round-eyes as well. Look it up.

And we were wrong to do it en masse, without evidence, just like interning the Japanese based solely on race (and location, true) was wrong, and JUST LIKE locking up/deporting legal immigrants from the Middle East (not to mention all those who just "look swarthy" :rolleyes: ) without real evidence would be wrong.

If somebody is here illegally, that's good reason. If it's just cause they come from East of here and talk funny, it's dead wrong.

Oh, and IIRC, it turned out to be a "team" alright. A perfectly innocent team of musicians(?).
 
You are right, of course, we did lock up Germans and Italians. I thought that in those cases there had to be some accusation made? At any rate, they were not rounded up and locked up.

I forgot to say that before the Japanese internment, the head of the FBI reported that he saw it as completely unnecessary. In those days there was no such thing as political correctness. It was not done with any block of voters or the media in mind (the official report that it was not needed).

The Al Queda hijackers took some time to immerse themselves into American society, so as not to stick out. To those not dealing regularly with them, all Semetic features look alike, similar to how most people cannot see the physical differences between the Chinese and Japanese. A Muslim terrorist would simply try to dress and act as a Jew. Many of the precepts are the same and they could do it without major violations of their faith.
 
Well what do you know! The gubmint said just the other day that they really don't have anywhere remotely near the number of Air Marshalls needed to monitor flights. Who would like to wager that there were no Air Marshalls on this particular flight? Oh well, what's a few jetliners full of people anyway? Better to let people who shouldn't even be in our country right now pull off whatever antics strike their fancy. :mad:
 
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How is the government supposed to know which flights to put Air Marshalls on? They put their best guess forward.
Which people that don't belong in this country? The muslim ones? The ones that aren't pale enough for you? I'm sure the Indians feel the same way.
Why is it news that we don't have enough air marshalls? It wasn't just the other day that the government said that we don't have enough. Even after increased budgeting and recruiting it was openly admitted we don't have enough/ Even if you had the budget, which we don't, you don't have enough people to meet the qualitifations without stripping other LEA's. Old, old news.
 
Network media is reporting today that airline pilots report on a continual, almost daily basis, that the planes are being scouted for security breaches by suspected Islamic terrorsts. I suppose, to keep from hurting anyones feelings, that we ought to establish a commission to look into this rather than do something pro active, like DEALING DIRECTLY WITH THE THREAT.

You folks who think that airplanes will not be used again as modes of attack are comatose. As far as profiling and being pro active are concerned, I'd rather that we have to apologize to a couple dozen innocent folks than say several thousand more funeral services over the bodies of innocent victims.
 
"Surely, my plan of using existing laws instead of duct tape is not nearly as thorough as yours."

and we have seen how well the existing laws did anything to prevent 9/11.

my friend just flew from chicago/midway to ft lauderdale and noticed the same kind of activity except it was only two guys.
 
Which people that don't belong in this country? The muslim ones?
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People here on visas from countries known to aid/harbor/comfort/encourage/train/fund/supply/disburse terrorists into the world.

I don't have a need for any people from those places to come and visit my country right now, do you? They can go play their 7th century barbarian tunes out in some crappy wasteland of a third world country for now. Then, perhaps after the Islamist mad dogs have been wiped from the Earth, the other folks who live around said mad dogs will again have the opportunity to come see what life is like in the civilized world. Maybe that will be an incentive for the regular folks who live in those pestilent holes to point out the mad dogs to us, so we can properly put the bastards down.

Apologies to those of you who can't live without a middle eastern minstrel show, but for now my country is more important.
 
Fred Hansen,

Careful! Those "barbarian minstrels" might drop a qanun on your house! :eek:

:D

Really, the level of hysteria being displayed over some lounge lizard's backup band is just absolutely hilarious. :rolleyes:
 
I remember when Annie’s story first broke. I see that opinions haven’t changed since then either.

But something else has changed. Within the past few days Russia has had two airliners blown out of the sky nearly simultaneously by (evidently) Islamic terrorists who set off small explosive devices in the bathrooms of the planes.

Gee, I wonder if there were any ‘practice runs’ on Russian airliners before these events. Moreover, after a lifetime or so of strict government control over everything from birth to death, would anyone have even reported a possibly suspicious pattern of behavior such as Annie reported and if someone had the audacity to mention it, would anyone have reacted to the story?

Annie’s story got a lot of publicity, but it also got a lot of people thinking too. Some think that we should be more proactive when it comes to protecting our country, our children, our homes and our way of life. Others worry that such proactivity might endanger the Constitution. Both are right… at least partially.

I think it is unwise of us, as a country, to ignore the danger we are in. What good will it accomplish if we save the Constitution and lose the country? Somewhere along the line we will have to make a decision and it will be a difficult one. I’m sure there were officials who agonized over rounding up the Japanese-Americans too, but it happened anyway. Looking back on those times (I remember them) I don’t see what else we could have done and if… no, when it happens again, I’m sure we’ll go through much the same painful debate.
 
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