Does your "go to war" carry differ from your EDC? Why??
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Wethepeople01
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Don't take "going to war" literally in this thread. It's meant as an expression only.
I have held off on making further replies here because only a few here understood that the phrase "going to war" was an expression only. Others simply jumped on the bandwagon that this was a literal statement. As I stated - Combat, in any setting, is as ugly as it's unpredictable.
Make no mistake - an armed encounter IS close quarters combat. The term applies. Also, it's a term we must grow comfortable with as legal concealed carriers. Being underprepared to defeat an armed threat is not an option. We would potentially be doing more harm than good. The flip side to this is arming ourselves to the point that might easily be seen as unreasonable. Also, not an option.. We are not vigilantes and cannot be perceived this way.
However, returning to the central point, it pays to consider that 'bad guys (often) have backup'. This means that the threat that is immediately confronting you is greater and more dynamic than you might envision. When threatened by one or more armed assailants, you are already at a significant disadvantage. To counter such a threat, our EDC and possible backup MUST be up to be up to the task. My argument here is that we might factor this kind of information in when deciding on our EDC gear - Spring, Summer, Winter and Fall.
For my money, a Glock 19 or Glock 23 (or similar Weapon) would suffice at least three seasons out of the year. Preferred backup is a G43 in a pocket holster. I also have carried an old S&W Airweight as a back up - Never as primary. Back up is optional but not a terrible idea. Sometimes, you might be able to reach only for your smaller backup - depending on how and where you carry - when the chips are down.
I have held off on making further replies here because only a few here understood that the phrase "going to war" was an expression only. Others simply jumped on the bandwagon that this was a literal statement. As I stated - Combat, in any setting, is as ugly as it's unpredictable.
Make no mistake - an armed encounter IS close quarters combat. The term applies. Also, it's a term we must grow comfortable with as legal concealed carriers. Being underprepared to defeat an armed threat is not an option. We would potentially be doing more harm than good. The flip side to this is arming ourselves to the point that might easily be seen as unreasonable. Also, not an option.. We are not vigilantes and cannot be perceived this way.
However, returning to the central point, it pays to consider that 'bad guys (often) have backup'. This means that the threat that is immediately confronting you is greater and more dynamic than you might envision. When threatened by one or more armed assailants, you are already at a significant disadvantage. To counter such a threat, our EDC and possible backup MUST be up to be up to the task. My argument here is that we might factor this kind of information in when deciding on our EDC gear - Spring, Summer, Winter and Fall.
For my money, a Glock 19 or Glock 23 (or similar Weapon) would suffice at least three seasons out of the year. Preferred backup is a G43 in a pocket holster. I also have carried an old S&W Airweight as a back up - Never as primary. Back up is optional but not a terrible idea. Sometimes, you might be able to reach only for your smaller backup - depending on how and where you carry - when the chips are down.
I take "go to war" carry to mean a natural disaster or an area declared a disaster zone or other emergency condition where survival is truly at stake; no police protection, no power, no communications, etc.
So in that forum I would say that my concealed EDC, either 9mm M11-A1 or P227 SAS Gen 2 .45 ACP, would be different than my GTW set up. AR 15 with 30 + 1 at the ready with chamber charged and on safety, and my sidearm would like be my P226 9mm with 18 +1 in duty holster.
So in that forum I would say that my concealed EDC, either 9mm M11-A1 or P227 SAS Gen 2 .45 ACP, would be different than my GTW set up. AR 15 with 30 + 1 at the ready with chamber charged and on safety, and my sidearm would like be my P226 9mm with 18 +1 in duty holster.
RE: the Army looking for a new handgun.
Originally the program was meant to address the fact the M9, s were nearing replacement and many newer pistols on the market would be much cheaper to buy than replacement M9, s. However like most military procurement processes it has ballooned into a bloated monster.
I would fully support the military getting something just as good as the M9 for less money, especially if small improvements like night sights and adjustable grip sizes can be included. If you have ever seen a female with tiny hands try to shoot an M9 by holding the back strap with her thumb while wrapping her hand as far around the grip as possible so her trigger finger just barely made contact with the trigger you would want an option to adjust grip size too. The female I am thinking about qualified, but just barely.
Originally the program was meant to address the fact the M9, s were nearing replacement and many newer pistols on the market would be much cheaper to buy than replacement M9, s. However like most military procurement processes it has ballooned into a bloated monster.
I would fully support the military getting something just as good as the M9 for less money, especially if small improvements like night sights and adjustable grip sizes can be included. If you have ever seen a female with tiny hands try to shoot an M9 by holding the back strap with her thumb while wrapping her hand as far around the grip as possible so her trigger finger just barely made contact with the trigger you would want an option to adjust grip size too. The female I am thinking about qualified, but just barely.
Old Bill Dibble
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The M&P would be worlds ahead of the M9.
They don't need some super gun or weird cartridge for a gun that is low priority.
They don't need some super gun or weird cartridge for a gun that is low priority.
I have gotten to a point that my daily carry is not the same as I would take to a typical war. Of course its what I carry for the war I am more likely to face. I am more likely to face a 1-2 individuals looking to rob than I am a group of vigilantes. For that reason among others. I carry a J frame in my right front pocket most days. 1. I tuck my shirt in an work. 2. I find my hand in my pocket a natural stance. 3. I find I can get first shot on target faster with my J frame than other guns. I dont plan to ever use my gun in defense if I do I hope its enough. In the meanwhile. I wont let my carry gun hinder my life.
seeker_two
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For most military purposes, the M&P9C would fit the bill. And it would take up less room on the loadout.
Tucker 1371
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I don't fault anyone for what they carry. Everyone has a different mindset, financial situation, body composition, etc. The list of things that play into a person's EDC choice can be a mile long. My rule of thumb to new CCers is this: Find the biggest gun that you won't mind carrying every single day and will never leave at home no matter what you are wearing. For me, that was a CZ75 SP01, it's a tank but I dress around it. The only time I am unable to carry is when I go to the gym and there I couldn't even carry my fiancee's G42, so my CZ stays in the car usually.
And if we're talking about CCW Pistol vs SHTF Sidearm then yes, mine are one in the same.
And if we're talking about CCW Pistol vs SHTF Sidearm then yes, mine are one in the same.
If I was going to war, it would be an issued M4 and M9.
If they gave me a choice, it would be a vehicle mounted PGM. Barring that, mounted Mk-19 or M2HB. Barring mounted weapons, it would be an SBR configured AR-15 variant or 16in AR-10 (depending on the expected terrain.) The pistol would be a double-stack 9mm with a light, good sights, and a decent trigger.
My carry gun is a single stack 9mm with good sights and a decent trigger. I trade size and capacity for concealment and comfort, as the risk of conflict goes down.
If they gave me a choice, it would be a vehicle mounted PGM. Barring that, mounted Mk-19 or M2HB. Barring mounted weapons, it would be an SBR configured AR-15 variant or 16in AR-10 (depending on the expected terrain.) The pistol would be a double-stack 9mm with a light, good sights, and a decent trigger.
My carry gun is a single stack 9mm with good sights and a decent trigger. I trade size and capacity for concealment and comfort, as the risk of conflict goes down.
