Does this picture not make you want to vomit?

Doesn't surprise me that he felt compelled to do so after being nailed so badly on his BFC tripe. He took down his own message board because pro-gunners were wiping the floor with the MM kiddies.

It's not hard to backup F9/11, because it's 90% true. It's all ripoffs of other people's work and retelling of well known mainstream news articles of the past few years repackaged for the masses.
 
Michael Moore is a liar. The fact that F9/11 was not mostly lies and outright distortions like his previous film does not make him "truthful". Why is that hard to understand...


Here let me edit above quote.
I hate George Bush Moron for being an egotistical, lying, possibly gungrabbing, phony, self-absorbed, self-important, arsehole douchebag

Notice i added possibly to gun grabbing Because he said he would sign AWB if it was on his desk. And i took out fat.

Your statement equally applies to GWB. I could add homophobic and intolerant too.
Click to expand...

Would it make you feel better if I had made a post bashing Bush instead? I've done plenty of those...
 
38splfan-
Robbers don't have a right to rob a house, and they don't have a right to not be injured while robbing a house. Just because a court let it fly does not mean its right. Whats legal, whats right, and what is a Right, are all different animals. How does anything I say violate someone else's rights? Please provide an example to help clarify.
 
Clarification.

The point I was attempting is this:

Using the same example:
The family being robbed has the right to defend itself and its property. They have the right to shoot and kill a burglar if it becomes unavoidably neccessary.
The burglar has the right to medical treatment and legal counsel and defense.
What I am getting at is this: We become so entangled in this burglars rights, the family is criminalized for defending theirselves.


As far as the free speech mention in my initial post, you are correct. There is much difference between legal, right, and A RIGHT. I seem to have confused myself :confused: :)
Allow me to clarify that particular point, using the same logic as my initial post.

General Example:
Student A is Muslim, Student B is not. Student A continually questions B for not being Muslim.
Student B cannot tell A to stop preaching his Muslim veiws because it is a Freedom, even though Student B feels very uncomfortable with the subject.

B cannot tell A not to talk about it, because he is then hindering A's Freedom of Speech, even though he is uncomfortable with the subject. So student B feels that by having to listen to A, his own right to Freedom of Religion is infringed, and nothing will be done about it for the sake of A's free speech.

Please note that this example has nothing to do with my personal opinion of Muslims. I have no problem with another man's religion, it is just a handy example.

In either case, it seems that the current trend is that the courts will side with what appears to be the offender, for fear of limiting their rights.
The offended party is at best ignored and at worst criminalized for being offended in the first place.

I know that both of my examples are very broad and that there are several other factors in each situation, but I think that they illustrate the general the point I was trying to make.

I hope this helps to clarify. I don't mind if you don't agree with me, I really enjoy hearing other opinions. I have been wrong before and may be wrong now.
I hope that, even if you do not agree, we can still have good civil conversation, as I consider all firearms owners "freinds I haven't met yet".

If you ever make it to Washington, come over for some coffee and we can mull it over some more. :)
 
I would like to know how someone who supports Michael Moore so fanatically is even posting on this forum. If Michael Moore were running this country we wouldn't even be allowed to own guns. Michael Moore is a liar. BFC was a terrible fabricated piece of garbage. He may use legitimate resources but then he just manipulates the information to agree with his agenda. Including illegally tampering published articles for which he is now in trouble for. By the way this article was displayed in F9/11. It is also pretty sad when the majority of your sources don't even support your argument.
 
Hey, no problems here, just talking.
As far as freedom of speech, its just that, the freedom to speak in its various forms. Student A does not have the right to make B listen to him(or her). And B telling A "I don't want to here about it" does not infringe on A's rights. B has the right to choose his or her religion, but how does one choose a religion? They either go out and look for it, or someone "recruits" them. "A" can talk, and "B" can choose not to follow. Its not a violation of anyones rights, its just annoying.

Now, if a robber tries to rob a house, is shot by homeowner, doesn't die, gets medical treatment and a lawyer, no rights where violated. If the homeowner gets sued and has to pay, that tends to be the jury that doesn't like the concept of individuals protecting themselves. You know, we are all supposed to be robbed, raped, and murdered, without harming the noble freedom fighter, just trying to feed his crippled kids and bedridden wife. Solution? Aim better, and he can't sue.(insert devil grin smiley here)

I agree with you that the offender tends to get off better than they should. After all, when I rule the world, all injuries an offender gets while breaking the law is their problem.
 
I believe

I believe Mr. Moore is all about making money, lots of it. The individual is not stupid. He mad a "movie" about someone that his liberal friends would enjoy laughing at. Promoted it, the "free press" gives him some useable time and the rest is history. He made a killing on it, from both sides. And it's STILL being talked about. What a capitalist! :eek:
 
I agree with much of what Moore says, but it would be pretty frightening if he was president. It's hard to take someone too seriously when they say there is no terrorist threat in America.
 
cje1980

This web-site and this forum is EXACTLY all about the idea that people may have divergent views which you may not like. You do not pick the list of people and their politics and who may say what. If you don't like the fact that someone may support the right of an individual to say what he or she believes - irrespective of whether you agree or not - then I submit you have not yet understood the reason for the First Amendment. No one amendment of our Constitution stands alone, friend. You are free to dislike Mr. Moore and others are free to agree with him. If you don't like that arrangement, there are any number of countries you would find more to your liking.
I'll bet you hate the ACLU too.
 
Excuse me, I never said Michael Moore didn't have the right to say or film anything that wants. I also never said that anybody else doesn't have the right to say anything they want. I believe in the First Amendment. I'm just saying this is a firearm forum and it doesn't make any sense that anybody who supports Michael Moore is posting on this forum. Michael Moore doesn't believe in the 2nd Amendment or if he does he wants to rewrite it. Walmart no longer sells handguns because of Michael Moore. BFC was just more ammunition used to rally anti-gunners to make more restrictions on firearms.

What other countries would be to my liking? I've been to a lot of countries and I like my life here in the USA thank you. That is the first time any body has told me to leave the country for not agreeing with Michael Moore. Isn't that awfully hypocritical. I say something negative about Michael Moore so I'm anti-american and I should leave the country. Just like Michael Moore has the right to criticize the president and anything else, I have the right to criticize him. I'm in the National Guard and I serve my country and I don't plan on leaving any time soon. Thank you
 
By the way jailmedic, In my first post I mean to say why someone is posting on this forum versus how. Sorry for any negative feelings that might have caused.
 
Hey ZPO

No problems here either :)

Like I said, the whole thing started as a discussion at work to kill time in the afternoons before formation. We all have diferent opinions on it, and I see your point.
You are correct, I was mistaking what a court/jury does with peoples rights. And I do understand your point. It just seems that people who used to have unquestioned rights are now at the mercy or the courts in situations like this. That was what I was intending. And you are correct, it is different than a right.
This does give me something new to talk about at work, because it makes very good sense. I wish you were here to talk to these guys. I work with some VERY liberal people. One even told me that if soemone is shot breaking into a home that the homeowner should pay for his care and go to jail no matter what the situation :eek:
Thanks for the conversation, and that cup of coffee is always open :)
 
No need to leave!

My whole point was that we ALL have the right to our opinions.
Broaden your pallette, sir.
Not everyone fits into the easy Red/Blue, Left/Right, Conservative/Liberal scheme. I know I don't.
There is no one perfect viewpoint. Certainly not Michael Moore. And most assuredly not the little effete jerk who ocupies the White House. Neither of them embody MY political beliefs.
I am glad to have the exchange!
Peace, brother......

Molon Labe!
 
I hate that fat bastard. A few months ago he spoke at USC and some friends and I got together to help with the protest. We were physically removed three times by security for exercising our first amendment rights.

http://www.kalionzes.com/mooreUSC (some photos and videos i took)

Note us being escorted out in the last few videos...

What i didn't get on film was actually on the local news here in LA. I got into a one on one match with the bastard in front of 4,000 students. As security was removing me... he yelled "F**K YOU!!"

He was a little upset that i totally owned him in front of all these people.

Tony Valdez from Fox 11 news interviewed me after the altercation. It was great. :)

Also... my photoshop job of the POS...

moore2.jpg
 
You are no doubt proud....

If anyone you opposed did what you did at a Bu$h speech, you'd want them locked up.
You ought to be more upset at what your idiot Governator is doing..... he's a lot more dangerous than poor old Mike....
 
Moore has got to be one of the most flagrently cynical frauds ever spewed forth
by an American popular culture noteable for spewing forth some of the worst examples of that breed.

"Will They Ever Trust Us Again?" To do what? See filth like Moore try to make a buck off of the American servicemen's service and sacrifice? I'm guessing that most US servicemen have a pretty good line on leftist war profiteers like Moore et al.
 
We are all entitled to our opinions

When the subject of cynical frauds and liars is brought up, my first thoughts are of the man in the White House who has lied, dodged and cheated his entire life, and never earned an honest dollar that wasn't provided by his cynical collaborator family. A false patriot and a false Christian and a terrible enemy of the Constitution of the United States.
 
38splfan

Be sure to mention that the shot robber, while getting their victim payed medical care, should have to pay for whatever was "broke in" in the "break in". And pay for what was stolen. And the lost feeling of security, the nightmares the kids have, your poor performance at work because you lose sleep worring about the next time, the divorce you have over the stess and pain of the incident. Turn their retarded logic around on them, and beat them with it. Its fun. :)
 
Just made my day.

That is awesome :D
And it makes great sense, I'll remember it if I ever go to court for something like that.
Funniest thing I've heard all day.
:D :D :D ROFLMAO
 
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