Does RAP music cause violence?

Snak Trak I sympathize with your story.....

but(you knew it was coming) anybody still has the option to listen and not do!
You need to identify the root problem, which your last post did a good job of doing, and then ignoring it....Your brother felt like he did not belong....So he looked for attention.....Negative or positve attention is attention. I like some of 50 cents music. I take it for what it is though.....entertainment value.....Not an instructional song on how to be a gangster and get shot 6times and stabbed like 5. So your premise still sounds to me as if you don't want to see the forest for the trees.....

Let me ask you this question.....If rap music had not been around, do you honestly believe your brother would not have found some other fringe group to affiliate with to gain noteriety/attention? I mean no offense in this question, I don't know for sure if it sounds the way I mean to say it...


PS I think some of these gangster rappers just missed out on a few too many hugs growing up...

You could say ,"Selling and doing crack is the most fun in the world" to me a million times and I will not agree with you as the evidence shows otherwise! ;) :)
 
If rap music had not been around, do you honestly believe your brother would not have found some other fringe group to affiliate with to gain noteriety/attention?
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Yes, I do believe if he was involved in something like baseball, or some kind of sport he would not have turned to selling crack. Is your question, if there was no rap, would he look to something else violent? Yes maybe. Thats not the point though. There WAS rap and he made it his life, and he lived what the music rapped about. I am telling you, it had a tremendous effect on his life. Trust me on this one.

You keep looking at things from what YOU would do. You have to look at the kids who actually DO sell crack and turn to a life a violence. THey dont think like you do. And while you dont look at a rap song as an instruction to shoot up some people, kids brought up in a bad setting exposed to nothing but rap DO.

THere is a song by Master P called "Make crack like this" It actually tells you how to make crack with baking soda, and boiling water. You tell me what effect on a kid who is 10 listening to this music is.

I used my brother as an example because your previous posts pointed to upbringing, saying its up to the parents to mold their kids. My parents did a great job.

BTW, I must add I am not upset, its hard to hear what people are saying from typed words. Everyone has points of view. I just am posting mine cause its what I believe from my extensive experience of the rap world and first hand experience with my brother. So NO offense taken at all what points you bring up Too many choices.
 
Thanx SnackTrack :)

Now I totally agree with your last post,but(there it is again) we already covered the fact that little kids should not be exposed to some things :confused: of an adult/explicit nature. So the ten year old has no buisness with this type of music(parental discretion/control ;) again). So if a kid(under 12 or 13) is out listening to any bad influence(a bad uncle perhaps) it will have bad consequences. If the kid is a little older 13-15, then their moral compass should have been set to SOME extent; in which case its back to the responsibility of the GUARDIAN to keep them set. Finaly, if the kid is no longer refered to as a kid 15+, the guardian is relieved of some of their responsibilities(read as: liability) but not all. If a young adult(of normal intelligence 15-18) decides to turn to a life of crime/prostitution/drug fiend from the words of a song and not from a predisposition or proclivity; I will eat my M4..... :eek:
 
I would challenge anyone here to do a simple thought experiment related to semantic triggers for behavior.

Pick out a simple positive phrase such as "It is going to be a good day today". for the next 10 odd calender days say that phrase to yourself 100 times on the way to work and at every coffe break and lunch break. On even days say a control phrase 100 times. Pick something totally neutral such as "It is going to rain in Ethiopia today".

Every night when you get home from work rate the day from 1 to 10 with 1 being a day you felt like walking off the job to 10 being a perfect day. Then rate the day for how effective and productive you were at work.

If you don't like my phrases pick out a positive and a neutral phrase but don't try this with negatives.

Then when you finish try to come back and tell me that words don't influence your emotions and behaviors.
 
I thought we all agreed.....

That music and other stimuli can effect the emotional state, but whether or not it caused crime.....Happy song makes you feel happy, sad song makes you feel sad(again only sometimes; you have to be susceptible). And since no one here is saying ban rap music(well most anyway :D ), I believe my last post is the correct answer to the posted question..... :cool:


TIFWIW my opinion...... ;)
 
It seems to me there have been more love songs written than any other type of song in the history of the world. If it were true that lyrics influenced the folks..than we'd all be in love with each other. but, i'm no expert...and i can prove it.
 
If psychology-based audio-visual advertizing did not have a tangible effect on enough people - enough of the time - corporations would simply use any presentable corporate rep already on their payroll with cheap easy to see graphics. This as opposed to the elaborate and expensive productions in addition to the already high dollar air time.

Good examples are cars and pharmaceuticals - or state-sanctioned dope. Ask the biggest corporations advertizing on TV in America why they spend so much on this "junk". It is not because they like spending money.
 
It seems to me there have been more love songs written than any other type of song in the history of the world. If it were true that lyrics influenced the folks..than we'd all be in love with each other.
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well, as a matter of fact i would say we are all in love. it might not be perfect story books versions of love, but there are a million times more lovers than murderers. I think though that love songs are an expression of love, and show just how many people are deeply affected by love. That is why there is WAY more love songs than any other kind of song.
 
negative words begin with negative thoughts that have negative effects.
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Thank you, you just backed my "does rap cause violence?" thread
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do eggs cause cake? they are a mutually exclusive ingredient that must be present with the correct combination of other ingredients in the correct proportion.
 
do eggs cause cake? they are a mutually exclusive ingredient that must be present with the correct combination of other ingredients in the correct proportion.
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definitely couldnt agree with you more. if you read my other posts in here you will see thats just exactly what i said.
 
Just for the record, rap is not music per se. It is nasty cultural poetry, recited not sung, accompanied mostly by rhythm. Since often extemporaneous, calling it poetry is probably too dignifying. Similes involving real music are valid only in reference to lyrics, not any effect actual music might have on a person's mood and then possibly behavior. A comment in regard to rhythm's effect could be valid.

To some extent, the vocal part is rhythm too, in the case of someone who couldn't understand or follow the lyrics. To me it's just noise and culturally repulsive, but I do respect that some genuinely like it and identify with it.

To me there is no question that it could be a bad influence, but that's just my opinion. If it engenders hatred and anger, violence could be the ultimate byproduct. If nothing else, it is a way to pass culturally based hatred, an attitude, or simply poor behavior from one generation to another.
 
Ah Statistics!
" Correlation is not Causation."

Does Rap cause violence or do violent people listen to rap?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
 
Does RAP Cause Violence?

Only if I trip over a chair to reach the source and change the dial or if I have to deliver a knuckle sandwich to my own teenager to keep his hands off my radio in my pickup.

Seriously, rap lovers wouldn't be able to live with my C&W like George Jones and Hank Williams so it is a two way street.

I do not feel that is is a good influence to youngsters but they listen to what they want anyway.
 
Rap feud in 50 Cent's G-Unit crew

US rap star 50 Cent has said he has thrown protege The Game out of his G-Unit gang in a feud that has apparently involved two shootings. In a radio interview on Monday, 50 Cent said the newcomer was disloyal in conflicts with other rappers.

A man was shot in the thigh outside New York's Hot 97 studios while 50 Cent was on air. More shots were fired outside his management offices two hours later.

50 Cent appeared on The Game's debut album, which was number one in the US.

50 Cent, whose second album is about to be released after his debut made him one of hip-hop's biggest stars, has been involved in recent rivalries with fellow artists including Fat Joe, Nas and Jadakiss.

He has claimed credit for the success of The Game, who has become the hottest new star on the rap scene. Both were drug dealers and were shot before turning to music.

Friends

In an interview with Hot 97 on Saturday, The Game described some of 50 Cent's rivals as "my friends" and said he would not turn on them.

"Nas is one of my friends, and Jada's really a homie," he said. "50's beef is 50's beef and I really don't know where all this stems from."

When 50 Cent appeared on the same station two days later, he said The Game was no longer a member of G-Unit. "Every record he's selling is based on me being on his record with him," he said.

When the shooting took place outside the studio, the interview was ended and the rapper was escorted out of the building by security personnel.

An unidentified 24-year-old Los Angeles man is stable with a gunshot wound to the upper thigh. Police say The Game's associates may have heard the interview and gone to the studio, where they confronted 50 Cent's entourage.

Officers are also investigating a later shooting in which eight bullets were fired into the door of 50 Cent's management company, Violator. No arrests have been made in relation to either incident.

50 Cent's second album, The Massacre, is released on Thursday, five weeks after The Game's debut, Documentary, went to number one.

Making enemies

Elliott Wilson, editor-in-chief of hip-hop magazine XXL, said the feud would boost publicity for 50 Cent's release.

"It helps him obviously in terms of exposure. You can't ask for better promotion," he said.

But he added: "I think he's making more and more enemies.

"You definitely feel like is he doing too much of a Tupac spiral, like me against the world. You bring more people wanting to see you fail."

Tupac Shakur was shot dead in 1996.
 
How Ironic, 50 cent involved in violence??

this is the guy who made me start this thread. now tell me all this violence is just a coincidence when you look at the lyrics.
 
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