Does RAP music cause violence?

Does RAP music cause violence?

you bet, just try to make me listen to it ( as my kids have found out) and things will really heat up.;)

kenny b
 
You know, I do believe that Hell's Angels, Neo-Nazi's and death-metal Satanists also have "inappropriate" tatoos and song lyrics. Music, symbols, language and dress are symptoms of a problem, not causes. Eliminate the cause and that crap goes with it.


JSandi,

Your answer is a dodge. How many non-black poor are in your area? Are you seeing a distribution that is completely dissimilar to income? Do you have any idea?
 
2 cents

Thank god for freedom of speech or you all would be arrested. its a beautiful thing to talk about virtually anything you want and not get arrested. lets say the law was you cant make negative comments about rap, then what would you say? thats the beauty of free speech, we are all protected no matter how ugly it seems to others because likewise others may not appreciate your comments regardless of the nature. its too easy to label rap as a scapegoat for violence but feel i theres more to it. what about parent invovement or lack of? rap influences those without rolemodels who dont understand the entertainment value of it. im proud to say my kids have positive rolemodels.
 
No, I don't believe rap causes violence. However, I do believe it CAN influence it. To me, it is akin to the FUEL on the fire in some cases. If you already have a person with violent tendencies and add to that rap music complete w/violent lyrics I cannot see how it could NOT have some influence in certain situations.
 
You pick rap as the cause of violence......

What a statement.....You better go and find a helluva study to back that statement up......Rap music causes violence like....pencils cause spelling errors, like cars cause speeding, like alcohol causes drunk driving, and like guns cause violence :rolleyes: Yes, there is a connection somewhat but not a direct one. Some of you guys are guilty of what many would do to us(gun owners). Placing all of a group of people into one broad genre that doesn't quite work(all gun owners are nuts.....all rappers are criminals).The way this thread is written you might as well say ,"Does Music Cause Violence?". Jsandi and snacktrack I am ashamed to see you guys take this thread there.... :( . Maybe I missed something but don't little white kids go to "mosh pits" and brag about beating each other up as part of the show? So what is the point. Violent music (can) be connected to violence in youth.....duh.but not directly. If you don't like it don't let your kids listen to it but don't try to blame the fall of society on 50 cent or eminem or marilyn manson or Korn(death metal group the k is backwards).... :rolleyes: .A paraphrase of an eminem statment said something to the effect of parents get mad at him for saying what he says when he never asked to raise their kids in the first place..... So I guess snack track and Jsandi want the government to step in and set those rappers straight on what they can and can't say the government could "interpret" the 1st to only apply to government speak and limit open public media :rolleyes: Either rap is not as violent as you say or this problem(rap causing violence) is not as wide spread as you want us to believe.

PS Handy is my hero :D, I like kennyb's answer, and Jsand with those statistics I am in favor of just getting rid of all the Black people and thusly getting rid of all the crime :eek:
 
Snacktrack

Since you say,"... as someone who has listened to rap almost all their life, I can judge it's content and know what I am talking about." how many crimes has listening to "gangster rap"(a much better description than the all encompasing "rap") caused you to perpetrate? :barf: What?! None!? Well since you've been listening all your life I figured you would have been subliminally brain washed into becoming Tupac Shakur. :confused: What "gangster rap" does do however is re-enforce the stereo types/life style/culture that these people choose to embrace......No person of normal intelligence has ever been influenced by a game or a song to do something violent that they would not normally do(ie in their nature).......period! Try to blame what you want but I am going to call this argument what I think it is.......a liberal argument with no real facts to back it up :barf: :D
 
You know, I do believe that Hell's Angels, Neo-Nazi's and death-metal Satanists also have "inappropriate" tatoos and song lyrics. Music, symbols, language and dress are symptoms of a problem, not causes. Eliminate the cause and that crap goes with it.

JSandi,

Your answer is a dodge. How many non-black poor are in your area? Are you seeing a distribution that is completely dissimilar to income? Do you have any idea?

I can’t really recall the last time anyone in the jurisdictions I work locked up any Hell's Angels, Neo-Nazi's or death-metal Satanists for a violent crime.

I realize this topic can be explosive so I am trying to keep it based in fact, understand these facts that I post are for the most part what I have been exposed to example the jail population, I’m sorry but it was not (meant to be) a dodge if you took it that way.

The county I work in is predominately low-income rural country white and meth is the drug of the day, the population is about 60 to 65% white.

We just locked up a Doctor for DUI last week so yes the rich around here do commit crimes just not violent ones.

Do I have any idea?

I have no idea what you mean by that last question, its’ pretty ambiguous…
 
Do you have any idea about the crime statistics in your area as related to income, or do you only have numbers related to race?
 
Honestly I’ve never seen any type of formal numbers related to crime and income released by any of the normal reporting agencies such as the FBI or GBI which track this stuff and report on it monthly and yearly.

Everything I’ve seen is broken down by crime type; weapons used etc… then time of crime, dates and then sex and race.

I would be interested in reading them as well, because everyone I can recall arresting which I would consider “rich” it was always for petty stuff such as DUI, possession less than 1 oz.

Now the “rich kids” are trending towards bigger crimes such as burglary, auto theft and felony possession charges but they also are in that “wannabe gangster” group, dress, speak, music such as rap etc…
 
So how sure are you that race is factor at all? Are many of these black arrests of decently well off people, or poor?
 
it appears that the easiest way to get out of poverty is to become a criminal.
Trouble is if you're poor and you sell turnip greens from a pickup truck on the side of the road or set up a car wash in the front yard the next thing you see is a big ticket for operating a business without a license or violating the zoning laws or some similar rule whose goal is to keep you a nonproductive consumer.

So how sure are you that race is factor at all?
Ask Bill Cosby. He dared make a public statement that the black community as a whole was letting down its youth and was nearly crucified for it. The abandonment of poor blacks by their better-off brothers is the Emperor's new clothes of postindustrial America. Personally I think that some of the racial stereotyping problem is related to the fact that for the most part poor blacks have gravitated to the high density inner cities and poor whites to the countryiside and small towns, while well to do blacks and whites hide out in the suburbs.
 
Cosby's point stands. I was NOT saying that poverty excuses crime, just that it is a much better explanation for crime rates than skin color, or music.
 
"Any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole State...
when modes of music change, the State always changes with them."
- Plato's "The Republic" 360 B.C.

Does rap begat violence or does violence begat rap?
Or is it just a matter of the music reflecting society?
Or in the case of the more recent rap, is it just doing a game of one-up on the other person for shock value?

Personally I don't care. The only thing missing in Rap for me is the "c" at the beginning.
 
I love clasical music; Big Dance Band; 50's and 60's Rock & Roll and have played most of them.
RAP music is a teaching tool for the low income, low IQ population to learn how to live. They can teach you how to tie your shoes to how to murder someone. Now you know why I call RAP music Crap music.
 
Just to add my half a cents worth here. Instead of blaming crime on poverty, why don't we blame POVERTY, on laziness, unwillingness to work, unwillingness to get an education, and unwillingness to be something? Why, when it is SO much easier to sell drugs, and be a criminal, PLUS, you will be a 'hero' as a criminal. It has been proven time and again that thugs and criminals are held in higher reguard, and are shown more respect by FAR than police, or other authority figures. Don't ya know its cool man to be bad? Poverty is nothing but an EXCUSE to be criminals. I may be white, but I tell ya, I very much doubt there are many people of ANY COLOR, that grew up with less than we had. We were so poor that 'poverty level' income would have made us feel like millionaires. And all this abject poverty and doing without as a kid and young man, never made ME be a criminal. These thugs turn to being a criminal because they WANT to be a freakin criminal. They don't WANT to work. Why work at fast food, for $5.00, when you will starve and get made fun of by your 'homies', when you can make $1000's selling drugs, or stealing, and be a big hero with 'street cred' with the homies.....

Stop making excuses for these cockroaches, (no matter WHAT color they happen to be) and squash the behavior.....
 
Derius,

I would agree that this country does provide opportunity for those who seek it. But failing to do that is ALSO not a racial thing.

The most desperately impoverished part of this country are some white areas in West Virginia.
 
When you played the game "cops and robbers" as a kid which one were you?

It has always been glorified to be the bad guy except in some westerns.....It is not a new trend....The bad guy does what he wants, when he wants. Especially the Good/Bad guys like , Diryt Harry and Charles Bronson(sp). Even Al Capone , the Good Fellas, and Scarface try to glorify the image(with a more realistic outcome however).
 
Well rap isn't entirely a racial thing either. In the past 20 years I've had my fillings jarred by a whole lot of white kids driving by a quarter mile away with their rap playing.

BTW, Handy, did you know a guy named Handy is reputed to have been 'the father of the blues' way back when music was music?
 
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