boy my "what's your life worth" pinched some of you. I would trust a 600$ glock with my life but I would also trust a 2000$ Baer as well. Not all people like glocks so that's out of the question, My father hates them because of the shape, DAO and a couple of other reason that many people love. Would you trust a 600$ glock out the box without shooting 1 practice round, nope, not me, would I trust a 2000$ Baer out the box without shooting 1 practice round, yes sir, with my life. I would not consider the Baer as a "bling" gun either, your paying for its accuracy, reliability etc. The BMW example is BS, your paying for bling, I would trust a taurus, it has the same 5 star safety rating as the BMW.
Does price influence your CC gun choice?
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I can understand that mentality but the question implies that the cost of a gun is a direct correlation to the price of your life. That's simply not a valid connection that can be made. IMHO my life is worth far greater than the price of any hand gun and my life insurance agent agrees with me. Does that mean I need to go out and have a custom made gun that equals the amount of my life insurance policy because, at least on paper, that's what my life is worth? Do I have my house torn down and rebuilt with the safest materials and the most advanced life saving features available? Do I go out and get the safest vehicle made to date available to a civilian, after all, what is your life worth?
I'm obviously overstating and being dramatic but it's to make a point which is you will never be able to spend enough money on a gun to make the correlation to the worth of your life so the question is not valid regardless of how good it sounds.
But the original question of the thread was not do you think there is a correlation to price and reliability which is, I think, what you are implying.
I can understand that mentality but the question implies that the cost of a gun is a direct correlation to the price of your life. That's simply not a valid connection that can be made. IMHO my life is worth far greater than the price of any hand gun and my life insurance agent agrees with me. Does that mean I need to go out and have a custom made gun that equals the amount of my life insurance policy because, at least on paper, that's what my life is worth? Do I have my house torn down and rebuilt with the safest materials and the most advanced life saving features available? Do I go out and get the safest vehicle made to date available to a civilian, after all, what is your life worth?
I'm obviously overstating and being dramatic but it's to make a point which is you will never be able to spend enough money on a gun to make the correlation to the worth of your life so the question is not valid regardless of how good it sounds.
But the original question of the thread was not do you think there is a correlation to price and reliability which is, I think, what you are implying.
sorry to fork your question with a question, to the quote, I believe you can. I also believe you can trust your life with a 300$ pistol, It all boils down to reliability does it not? If you trust a firearm even at a 200$+ range that doesn't make someone stupid. Faith is the answer. JMO of course.bigkrackers said:
Of course it does ... unless you're wealthy, money always plays a part in any decision you make ... I'd love to have a handbuilt 1911 that shoots one ragged hole at 25 yards ... but I don't have the $3k-$5k it would cost to commission one ... Instead, I have a Kimber UCII ... great accuracy, has never failed to fire -- and it cost less than $700 NIB ... If you can afford that nifty barbecue gun, by all means get it ... if not, find an alternative that will protect you and yours and not bankrupt you at the same time ...
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I just have this thing for beautiful, well-designed, yet highly functional portable things. Honestly, it's for my own visceral pleasure, not really to "show-off" except perhaps to another aficionado, at the range maybe. As an another example, I carry a Victorinox Spirit multi-tool (hidden in a belt holster, or my briefcase) and its thoughtful design, shiny stainless steel, perfect fit/finish, and positive "click" and lock are things that I still marvel over some 10-15 years later. It's not only a tool, it's an accessory to me - I enjoy carrying and having it with me well beyond just needing the tool. In comparison, I find Leatherman stuff to be just crap, a simple tool to use and then throw away, not to mention several of their products have broken on me in much shorter time frames.
The aesthetics thing with the CCW is probably even more extreme. We all make judgement calls, and for me, who commutes to Manhattan, perhaps the only place I feel I really need a CCW, I am not allowed to carry. So in CT suburbia, where the risks are a fraction of that in NYC, I am allowed to carry, but I really don't need to - I only carry, on occasion, well... just because I can. So here's a device that will in all probability never be used for its intended purpose with 99.999% certainty, so hell, it may as well have some bling factor. Heck, CCWs are by definition a compromise - I have a 40oz .357, a 21oz 9mm, and 10oz .380, and as many others, I'll pick and choose depending upon what I'm wearing that day, despite the fact that they are vastly different from a protection point of view.
So, yes, I choose to make this compromise that I'm willing to carry a piece of art, albeit somewhat less pure functional (but reasonably functional), just because it moves me. As always, YMMV.
I just have this thing for beautiful, well-designed, yet highly functional portable things. Honestly, it's for my own visceral pleasure, not really to "show-off" except perhaps to another aficionado, at the range maybe. As an another example, I carry a Victorinox Spirit multi-tool (hidden in a belt holster, or my briefcase) and its thoughtful design, shiny stainless steel, perfect fit/finish, and positive "click" and lock are things that I still marvel over some 10-15 years later. It's not only a tool, it's an accessory to me - I enjoy carrying and having it with me well beyond just needing the tool. In comparison, I find Leatherman stuff to be just crap, a simple tool to use and then throw away, not to mention several of their products have broken on me in much shorter time frames.
The aesthetics thing with the CCW is probably even more extreme. We all make judgement calls, and for me, who commutes to Manhattan, perhaps the only place I feel I really need a CCW, I am not allowed to carry. So in CT suburbia, where the risks are a fraction of that in NYC, I am allowed to carry, but I really don't need to - I only carry, on occasion, well... just because I can. So here's a device that will in all probability never be used for its intended purpose with 99.999% certainty, so hell, it may as well have some bling factor. Heck, CCWs are by definition a compromise - I have a 40oz .357, a 21oz 9mm, and 10oz .380, and as many others, I'll pick and choose depending upon what I'm wearing that day, despite the fact that they are vastly different from a protection point of view.
So, yes, I choose to make this compromise that I'm willing to carry a piece of art, albeit somewhat less pure functional (but reasonably functional), just because it moves me. As always, YMMV.
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Yes, I'd rather have a Kimber Solo versus a Keltec PF9.
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The Kimber Solo's are still having teething pains. I'd wait a while befor you get one...Once the get the internal fit worked out.
Still in Beta testing phase.
Still in Beta testing phase.
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I'm not sold on Kimber or any other handgun that i have to take out a loan to buy. After much debate i settled on a Kel-Tec p11 because i have big hands and all the other CC marketed guns didn't feel right. Yet it's small enough to conceal. I don't have to worry about it getting scuffed up like a "pretty" pistol. If you want something fancy with a fancy price tag to show of to your buddies...buy a Rolex watch.
Fascinating thread. Let me start with the fact that I am MUCH more confident with a double action revolver than I am with a semiauto. I just shoot revolvers more consistently and more accurately. Second, I want a gun that I can carry, not a toaster oven that happens to fire bullets or something so light that after one round I'm more focused on the pain that I'm experiencing than defending myself.
That narrowed my choices considerably. The gun that I choose to carry is a K-frame Smith & Wesson snub, specifically, a Model 19 with a 2 1/2" barrel. For me, it's the perfect compromise of weight, firepower, accuracy, and ease of use.
I paid $600 for this gun (obviously) used. When I bought it I thought not at all about the price except in the sense that I didn't want to throw money away on something that was priced wildly above market value. The purpose of my purchase was to acquire something that I would stake my life on. Therefore, price was no object -- keeping in mind again, that I didn't want to be taken.
As for the possibility that my gun might someday wind up in an evidence locker, my reaction is that I bought it to potentially save my life. If I ever use it -- and I pray fervently that that day never comes -- giving the gun up afterwards to law enforcement authorities while they investigate the incident will be a tiny price to pay for my security.
That narrowed my choices considerably. The gun that I choose to carry is a K-frame Smith & Wesson snub, specifically, a Model 19 with a 2 1/2" barrel. For me, it's the perfect compromise of weight, firepower, accuracy, and ease of use.
I paid $600 for this gun (obviously) used. When I bought it I thought not at all about the price except in the sense that I didn't want to throw money away on something that was priced wildly above market value. The purpose of my purchase was to acquire something that I would stake my life on. Therefore, price was no object -- keeping in mind again, that I didn't want to be taken.
As for the possibility that my gun might someday wind up in an evidence locker, my reaction is that I bought it to potentially save my life. If I ever use it -- and I pray fervently that that day never comes -- giving the gun up afterwards to law enforcement authorities while they investigate the incident will be a tiny price to pay for my security.
What’s your wife’s or your life worth?
If they are only worth the price of a 98$ hipoint and your happy with it, Good for you.
I carry a modified Glock 26 (Trigger, guide rod, magazine release, sights magazine extensions, grip panels, and trigger, probably twice what I paid for the gun) and I carry a Kimber Royal carry.
If they are only worth the price of a 98$ hipoint and your happy with it, Good for you.
I carry a modified Glock 26 (Trigger, guide rod, magazine release, sights magazine extensions, grip panels, and trigger, probably twice what I paid for the gun) and I carry a Kimber Royal carry.
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Price does not matter for my carry gun. I will spend a good amount of money on a reliable, accurate 1911. I have one right now and carry a fullsize. I need to get a smaller on but the fullsize is suprisingly comfortable.
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Price is always a consideration but you don't need to spend a grand or two or even $500 to get a reliable, concealable, adequately powerful gun for SD. But in the grand sceme of things a $1000 isn't that much and it was compared to the deductable which was good, to a point. If you have a $1000 deductable when you can get a $500 deductable with the same coverage you are not very wise. Have a feeling there are a lot of not very wise CC'ers around.
So for those that are saying it doesn't matter fine. But I don't want to ever hear you complain about damage or losing your gun to the cops.
LK
So for those that are saying it doesn't matter fine. But I don't want to ever hear you complain about damage or losing your gun to the cops.
LK
In a way. Not so much price (although that is part of it) as replaceability. I carry a G23, so I know I can replace it with an identical gun at pretty much the drop of a hat. I can get one 9am to 9pm, 7 days a week where I live.
So price is a part of replaceability, but so is availability and familiarity.
So price is a part of replaceability, but so is availability and familiarity.
Price has never really been a deciding factor for me when it comes to what I want to carry. Price comes into the equation when I'm buying a pistol, obviously, but after that, the value that I have placed on the pistol is only partly affected by the initial cost of acquiring it. There are many sentimental sorts of factors such as the length of time the pistol has served me well, it's reliability during that time, how well it may suit my style, skill and perception of what I require for defense and many other factors that cause me to value a pistol, such as my $700 Kimber Custom, above others which have cost me $400- $500 more. But, even if I do value my trusty old Kimber above most of my pistols and have spent countless hours and unknown amounts of money to fit it with just the right parts, I still carry it without giving much thought to losing it because it has to be used.
The reason I don't is because if I had to use a gun in my defense, I would want it to be my trusted piece of work. I would do my best to get it back afterwards, but thats the way it goes and I wont let that decide what I carry.
Now, I do like to carry my glock when I am just tossing a pistol in a backpack, or whatever. What I mean is that it is nice to have a pistol that you don't care about getting scratched up. That's why I carry a g26 instead of the p239 I had
The reason I don't is because if I had to use a gun in my defense, I would want it to be my trusted piece of work. I would do my best to get it back afterwards, but thats the way it goes and I wont let that decide what I carry.
Now, I do like to carry my glock when I am just tossing a pistol in a backpack, or whatever. What I mean is that it is nice to have a pistol that you don't care about getting scratched up. That's why I carry a g26 instead of the p239 I had
Price affects everything I do because I'm not independently wealthy. It doesn't affect which gun I carry because I don't own any expensive guns and never will. I can find plenty of inexpensive guns that are very high quality.
That's the nice thing about living during the present era. Regardless of what the product is it's plentiful and well made. The further back in time you go the worse will be the selection, quality, and cost.
I remember reading about George Washington ordering a coach to be made in England and shipped to him in America. Being a demanding consumer he was specific about the materials and workmanship that was to be used in it's manufacture. When it was delivered it wasn't even close to what was agreed upon. Today you see BMW's and Mercedes everywhere. Times have changed.
That's the nice thing about living during the present era. Regardless of what the product is it's plentiful and well made. The further back in time you go the worse will be the selection, quality, and cost.
I remember reading about George Washington ordering a coach to be made in England and shipped to him in America. Being a demanding consumer he was specific about the materials and workmanship that was to be used in it's manufacture. When it was delivered it wasn't even close to what was agreed upon. Today you see BMW's and Mercedes everywhere. Times have changed.