Does anyone have a "Sniper" smell test???

The KD range at WTB Quantico goes to 1000yds, and that's it. I guess you could move back to that treeline by the road and get maybe 1200 or so, but it's been several years since I've been there. This guy is talking out his rectum. When was he at Quantico, and what was the name of the person who asked him to leave?

The Zaitsev story is very dubious. I've heard several different stories about it, with different names for the German(Konig, Thorvald are two most common) This whole story rings of Soviet propaganda. Semper Fidelis...Ken M
 
I second EchoFiveMike

You'd be shooting from a click inside the woods on the opposite side of the hardball road if you were shootin on the rifle range.

The longest rifle range at Quantico is 1,000 meters. There are other ranges for fire and maneuver, indirect fire, etc that are longe, but they're not set up as rifle ranges.

Semper fi,
Bruegger out.
 
Bruegger/Echo,

Come ON, guys! You both know that this COMSERVESLOPBACKBUMPTHUMP sniper has double secret probation clearance to use the highly classified black ops 2 million yard range an Quantico...

No one, and I mean no one, is supposed to know about it. I mean just mentioning it....

OH MY GOD! THERE HERE FOR ME! YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE YOU BLACK OPS BASTARDS! BANG BANG! BANG! RATTA-TAT-TAT!

John,

Quantico often plays host to DCM/NRA long-range events, so that's not a big deal. Quantico also has a club for civilian handgun shooters. My opthamalogist shoots there in one of the club bullseye leagues.

Years ago I watched a US Olympic Gold medal winner (some decades before) send an accidental discharge due to negligent and dangerous handling toward the inhabited areas of the base, and then give the range office a case of ass about it when he got chewed out. :rolleyes:

As for whether this guy is kosher or not, probably not, just on the bragging thing alone. The military veterans I've had the pleasure of knowing seem to have the same trait. The more they've done in the military, the less they talk about it.

I lived beside my next-door neighbor and friend for nearly two years before his son told me that he was an F-4 fighter pilot in Vietnam, had been shot down once and shot up several times, and had at least 2 MIGs to his credit.

The ONLY war stories I've ever heard from Rick involve A) the foul weather in Vietnam during summer, B) the lingering after effects of his being shot down and having to eject (broken/dislocated shoulder and collar bone), and C) his unit opening the O-club up to a Marine detachment for sleeping purposes. The Marines were, in the middle of a Vietnam summer, in tents on an air base.
 
Snipers and Zeitsev

I dont know of a book that has it for sure however Major John Plaster's book "The Ultimate Sniper" may mention it. Specifically this incident was described on an episode of the History Channel's "Suicide Missions" about Military Snipers and their history. I think the episode replays fairly regularly. The Duel between Zaitsev and the Nazi was i guess famous and there was supposed to have been witnesses as both sides were going for the "Propaganda Victory". It is detailed that a Russian Commisar was instantly killed when he put his head from behind cover. The shot having been very quick and precise led Zaitsev to guess this was the Nazi Sniper (Instructer). He also supposedly guessed on the location of the shot saw light on the other side and fired first killing the Nazi instantly (through the scope).
Hope this helps, try and catch that episode on the history channel its pretty good. John Milius and John Plaster both comment on alot of the facts and stories.
Cheers,
Mithirium
 
Most guys I know at the VFW don't openly talk much less boast about their service-time exploits. If you want to know something, it's usually like trying to pull teeth.

Every now and then we'll get one of those types into the V and the guys the can smell 'em a mile away. One or two questions and it's all over for them.

And it's not always the "snipers" that get caught in a lie. It's SEAL wannabe or the Green Beret wannabe. You get the picture.

Our V is an open post. That's why we get a lot of outside clientel.
 
Here is a simple test question:

How many "clicks" are in 1,000 yards?

Personally, I do not know, and most people have no idea either.

See, what the "sniper" says...
 
The way I heard it, Barry Sadler was severely injured due to what was believed to be a self-inflicted gun shot wound in a Costa Rican cab. There is some speculation as to the actual origin of the wound, given what he was doing with his life at the time (being a merc).

He was eventually relocated to the Alvin York VA hospital in Murfreesboro, TN, where I believe he died.
 
WB, yeah, he's full of it. How do i know? The character in Sniper was modeled after me. I hate to expose myself, but i can't let someone else take credit for my exploits.

Here's the answers to y'all's test questions:

1. # of clicks in a 1000 yards? Lots
2. Unit? the SECRET one
3. Sniper school? the U.S. Academy of Snipers, Las Vegas, NV
4. Duty weapon? SNiper Gunn

Anyone else want to test my credibility, please post.

:D
 
FYI, Mithirium's comments refer to an incident in 1942, during the battle of Stalingrad ... read "The War of the Rats" for more details. Very interesting.


On a broader front, does anyone know of a legal way to check anyone's service record? I know a fellow as well who claims he was in Special Forces as a sniper. Tells a good story, but I'm a bit skeptical. Web sites, government sources, or ... ? Thanks.

Regards from AZ
 
I've got a funny story along these lines. Unfortunately, it is completely true.

One summer my wife (then girlfriend) in college asked me to help her find an apartment while she was doing an internship in some podunk town between her junior and senior year. We went to look at this one apartment complex that was kinda run down, but not too bad. The apartment manager was this short, fat, balding guy who at first seemed friendly, but just a little weird. In the course of my conversation with him, he mentioned that was a Vietnam Vet. "Oh, really", I asked, "which branch did you serve with?" At this point he starts going about how he was a civilian recruited for missions so secret that they couldn't even involve military personnel. They were given secret identities and told the US would disavow any knowledge of them if ever caught. In fact, he told me that he had to kill a couple fellow members of this super-secret group when they became injured because they couldn't bring them back. He said he received awards for his service, but they were taken back, again, because of the secrecy. I mean, this guy is a real nut job and I'm thinking that the only medals he ever got were for lunacy above and beyond the call of duty. But, if you think that was crazy, he then starts talking about his last tenant who was a medical student doing experiments on two-headed lizards in his apartment.

The scariest thing about that whole incident was, looking back, I really think that guy believed every word he said.
 
120 clicks!

If I remember off the top of my head, it is around 120 clicks from my 100 yards zero. Did you know I was Hathcock's spotter in Nam?
 
Didn't know that Barry died in a cab, guess I heard wrong. He did write the novel "sniper" -it was a Vietnam era story, I have it.

The best & most respected English language book about the battle of Stalingrad is "Enemy at the Gates" by William Craig. There was a sniper duel won by Vasiliev, the German was Major Koenigs, chief sniper instructor from Berlin. Koenigs made a major sniper mistake, he underestimated the enemy and didn't move after his shots. Vasiliev aimed for Koenigs' scope glint -so it is possible that he put it through the scope.

The book "War of the Rats", while a good read, was romanticized fiction. -Just like that sniper wannabe.
 
Enemy At The Gates

This story is based largely on Soviet propaganda and folklore during WWII. There actually was a successful Soviet sniper named Vasili Zaitsev; but his "hunter" on the German side is myth as far as any historical record I've seen shows.

Its probably not coincidence that the "enemy" is named Major Koenig (Koenig is "King" in German - very bourgeousie and un-Soviet).

I'd also argue that there are a lot better historical references to Stalingrad than "Enemy At The Gates".
 
Here's the answers to y'all's test questions:

1. # of clicks in a 1000 yards? Lots
Click to expand...

Maybe if your a sniper, but if you are a ground pounder and have to walk it you think of a click as:

1 click = 1 kilometer = 1094 yards.
 
Not concerning anything about his sniping etc., but I know a full proof way to tell whether he is a Marine or not (Once a Marine always a Marine). Marines take great pride in the USMC history. All marines know the history up and down. Simple then, just ask him MC history. Here are some.

1. Ask him if he knows the Marines' Hymn. Ask him to sing it to you or something. If he doesn't know and gives you some bs then hes prolly lieing.

2. Ask him what the Marine Corps motto is. Answer: Semper Fideles; Meaning in english- Always faithful

3. Ask him when the Marine Corps emblem (Eagle, Globe, and Ancor) was adopted my the Marine Corps. Answer: 1868

4. Ask him who was presented the Mameluke sword at Tripoli. The answer is: Lieutenant Presley N. O'Bannon.

5. Ask him where the Marine Corps was Founded. Answer: Tun Tavern, Philidelphia, Pennsylvania.

6. Who was the first commandant of the Marine Corps? Answer: Samuel Nicholas

7. When was the Marine Corps founded? Answer: November 10, 1775.

This is some really basic Marine Corps history. He should know most if not ALL of the questions. Give him some leeway, but if he dosn't know most, then he isn't a Marine.

Also everyone alse had some good questions to ask like, Who was his drill Sergeant, was his duty weapon was, and what unit he was with.
 
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