do YOU think 9mm is underpowerred ?

Is 9mm strong enough to use for defense.

  • I think 9mm is plenty strong for defense.

    Votes: 215 50.8%

  • I think 9mm is strong enough but only if Hollow Point.

    Votes: 122 28.8%

  • I think it takes more (.40 or .45) to be deadly

    Votes: 18 4.3%

  • If you're asking you're a mall ninja

    Votes: 68 16.1%
  • Total voters
    423
I never was one for the 9mm. When the military changed over to the Beretta from the 1911 I was ****** as I was the armorer for a M.P. Unit with 145 pistols and the berretta had flaws. mostly Ball ammo as a SD round in 9mm. but in recent years due to advances made in the SD ammo It has become a respectable round.
 
Not at all. I feel 9mm is fine for SD against humans, especially with JHP ammo. I still prefer .45's myself, but its what I grew up shooting. I'm perfectly comfortable carrying a 9mm, or even a 38, but I choose to go a bit higher.
 
I think bigger is better is overdone.I qualified for my chl with a compact 45, after month I bought P-11 as I was developing a limp hauling that much gun around.Not too long ago i was at an indoor range and watched a fellow who could easily qualify as a pro defensive end, 6'6",300lbs try out a Desert Eagle, at 10 yds he barely hit paper,none hit the scoring area, although the report literally shook the building.And although we were warned and I had earplugs and muffs, I still nearly jumped out of my skin everytime he pulled the trigger.I've bought three guns in the last year, A Cimarron 357 that has seen nothing but 38 specials, a NAA 22mag, and a Taurus PT 24/7 Pro Ds in 9mm with a 17 rd mag I never feel under gunned.Shoot, I can't get anyone to allow me to shoot them with the 22 mag:)
 
We need to make a list of silly little gun forumisms that get perpetuated and yet have such little value.

.25 is a lousy caliber for defense. While we are at it, I wouldn't want to bust down the door of a crack house armed with a ping pong paddle because it's REALLY not a proper tool for the job. HOWEVER, no, in fact, I don't really want to be a test subject for a belly shot with a .25. (or even a shot in the pinkie toe) And no, I don't particularly care to get wacked in the temple with a ping pong paddle, either.

I don't want to get my schlong caught in a fast moving zipper.
I don't want to fall in a pothole on a bad sidewalk.
I don't want to have a potted plant dropped on my head from a 3rd story window.
I don't want a pot of hot coffee thrown at me from across the counter at a Quickie Mart.

I really don't want any of these fates, yet I wouldn't use them as arguments for a proper defensive maneuver or tool. Really.

The next item on our list can be whether or not anyone really gives a damn how much ammo you DID or DID NOT FIND at your local idiot-filled Wal-Mart.
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hehe brilliant :D

....the only thing that I'd add is: getting your schlong caught in a slow moving zipper isn't much fun either :o
 
I think that most handgun cartridges are underpowered, and the ones that truly aren't are too hard to practically shoot out of a practically sized CCW handgun :D
 
I don't want to get my schlong caught in a fast moving zipper.
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Ah, see, THAT is the true test of acceptable caliber for SD.

Complete this sentence:

"I rather get "it" caught in a zipper than get shot with _____ caliber."

Whatever that answer is gives you your minimum caliber for SD.;)
 
peetzakilla said:
"I rather get "it" caught in a zipper than get shot with _____ caliber."

Whatever that answer is gives you your minimum caliber for SD
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Which brings me to the question, "What's a good .50BMG to conceal?" :)
 
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Thanks, #18indycolts!

Looks to me like 9mm JHP can hold its own in the defensive round arena.
 
I have my CW9 in my highnoon holster on me now getting ready to go out.
Its loaded with 8 124gr federal HST
No back up mag yet and my LCP is boxed up ready to go back to ruger otherwise I would have it in my pocket
 
I have my CW9 in my highnoon holster on me now getting ready to go out.
Its loaded with 8 124gr federal HST
No back up mag yet and my LCP is boxed up ready to go back to ruger otherwise I would have it in my pocket
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You are well armed.
 
Could be underpowered. Similar to the infamous "FBI Miami Shootout", my current boss and a partner got in a shootout in 1992 or so with some escaped bank robbers from South Carolina...my boss hit the guy 7 times with 9MM from a Sig 226. The guy not only lived but is now in prison...but does use the "colostomy waste removal and collection system".:eek:

Right after that, my former boss upgraded us to the Sig 226 in .40 S&W. Fortunatly, no shootings since then.

I'm a little leery of it myself, but often carry a S&W 5904 9MM as a duty weapon, and never feel under-gunned. I just like it and shoot it better than the Sig. I don't shoot Sigs well, but they are very dependable and fine weapons, never a problem with them since we adopted them as a duty firearm for our department.
 
I carry my R9 all the time some times as BUG some times as primary in my jewelry store R9 in pocket Kimber ultra CDP II on belt
 
I think 9mm is plenty especially if you use hollowpoint bullets. As a matter of fact I think you should always use hollowpoint no matter what caliber is your preference. Hollowpoint ammo "gives up its energy" within the body and is less likely to pass on through missing vitals and hitting unintended people and stuff.
I would feel good defending myself with anything .38spl and above so long as I was using hollowpoints. I would bet a .25 caliber in hollowpoint would put a hurt on the bad person also.
 
Interesting thread

I have a couple thoughts to share:

- Power-wise, 9mm is enough, but only in HP.

- I bet a lot of people clicked on that first vote before reading the rest of them. I almost did.

- It seems that most cases of 9mm not being enough were either on a drugged up perp, shot with FMJ bullets, or both. 9mm FMJ bullets are almost designed to go right through someone without cutting much tissue. Of course if you hit a vital, it is going to work anyway, but not as quick or as well.

That being said, I choose something with a bit more power, since statistically, I will only get or need a couple shots.
 
9mm

My agency went to the Glock 9 mm back in the early 1990s. We've had plenty of one shot stops with the 9mm round. I would face any self defense situation trusting my 9mm BHP or my Glock 19.
 
just a quick thought on the picture that was posted.... did you happen to notice the shock wave size? to me it is a very important part of what any combo of speed, grain and caliber can actually do to living tissue... "knock down power" only means how much energy is transferred to the target...and that means in all directions, not just 12" of linear penetration....so far i would say the 357 or the 45 until i see a more tests-- even though i love shooting the 9mm :D
 
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