Do you guys think HK's & Sigs are worth the money ??
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Glock is just enough.
HK goes beyond the call of duty.
Personally, I don't settle for average, ever. I would say that I never compromise, but that is the tired slogan of the armchair commando. Hey, at least they picked the best slogan out there
I drive a BMW. I shoot an HK. To me, such things are worth saving for.
HK goes beyond the call of duty.
Personally, I don't settle for average, ever. I would say that I never compromise, but that is the tired slogan of the armchair commando. Hey, at least they picked the best slogan out there
I drive a BMW. I shoot an HK. To me, such things are worth saving for.
Brian Busch
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CPR, you are right. I was mistaken, I thought it was a Timex but it was a Seiko.
RazorsEdge
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I have discovered that, for some warped emotional reason, I have to own a few high cost guns in order to happily shoot my mid-range working tools.
I own two SIGs but never shoot them. But I will never sell them, because I know I'll just waste more money replacing them.
Over time, both price and quality of many manufacturers slip, then recover, then slip again. I have seen Sigs at gunshows for rather moderate prices.
SIG makes a fine product , but they spend way too much time kissing LEO butt, and regard civilians as sub-race peasants. Hokay, I'll take my measley pesos elsewhere.
I've seen a few of the SIG .380's jam right out of the box (need feed ramp job at gunsmith). So they ain't perfect.
I own two SIGs but never shoot them. But I will never sell them, because I know I'll just waste more money replacing them.
Over time, both price and quality of many manufacturers slip, then recover, then slip again. I have seen Sigs at gunshows for rather moderate prices.
SIG makes a fine product , but they spend way too much time kissing LEO butt, and regard civilians as sub-race peasants. Hokay, I'll take my measley pesos elsewhere.
I've seen a few of the SIG .380's jam right out of the box (need feed ramp job at gunsmith). So they ain't perfect.
Bedeviler,
I don't mean for my posts to look like frustrated sniper attacks. I have to admit that there are a few people on this and other forums that simply BUG me. And I can't hold my tongue any longer. Take Vyper for example. He has a GREAT resource of information in front of him to make good, sound decisions. Yet he continually asks redundant, obvious questions that could have been answered if he hit a search function. He asks for advice, yet he doesn't really take it. He hears only what he wants to hear, and that gives him the strength to go with it. Then he no longer takes the advice and comes full circle. WalterGA said he was boycotting Vyper's posts awhile back (probably because of this). What confounds me is that he always generates TONS of replies, whereas oftentimes I see someone asking a very intriguing question that could be beneficial to many of the members of this forum, that go relatively unanswered....
Take Wild Romanian now for example. He makes a completely off-the-wall, unfounded statement, then when challenged on it, continues to fight it to the death even when he is proven wrong. And he can be abrasive in doing so. (I know, I know, so can I) Some time back he posted some ridiculous 'facts' about the .40 cartridge, that were completely false and easily proven so. But after I and others set him straight, he continued to espouse his version of the truth.
I could go on and on about other things that bug me, but I think I've shared enough negativity for now. If you guys like participating in (MO) stupid polls and answering Vyper-type distress calls and don't like listening to my frank opinions, just let me know. I'll do what's better for the forum and go back to being a silent lurker. But I do appreciate you asking, Bedeviler.
I don't mean for my posts to look like frustrated sniper attacks. I have to admit that there are a few people on this and other forums that simply BUG me. And I can't hold my tongue any longer. Take Vyper for example. He has a GREAT resource of information in front of him to make good, sound decisions. Yet he continually asks redundant, obvious questions that could have been answered if he hit a search function. He asks for advice, yet he doesn't really take it. He hears only what he wants to hear, and that gives him the strength to go with it. Then he no longer takes the advice and comes full circle. WalterGA said he was boycotting Vyper's posts awhile back (probably because of this). What confounds me is that he always generates TONS of replies, whereas oftentimes I see someone asking a very intriguing question that could be beneficial to many of the members of this forum, that go relatively unanswered....
Take Wild Romanian now for example. He makes a completely off-the-wall, unfounded statement, then when challenged on it, continues to fight it to the death even when he is proven wrong. And he can be abrasive in doing so. (I know, I know, so can I) Some time back he posted some ridiculous 'facts' about the .40 cartridge, that were completely false and easily proven so. But after I and others set him straight, he continued to espouse his version of the truth.
I could go on and on about other things that bug me, but I think I've shared enough negativity for now. If you guys like participating in (MO) stupid polls and answering Vyper-type distress calls and don't like listening to my frank opinions, just let me know. I'll do what's better for the forum and go back to being a silent lurker. But I do appreciate you asking, Bedeviler.
Try putting that mythical Timex Kinetic (I don't think Timex makes a Kinetic watch) under water or bang it around. It won't last very long. Try that with a Rolex (or Tag-Heuer, for that matter) and it will still work.
In the book "The Book of Honor" (about CIA deaths), there is a passage about someone who was blown up in an embassy bombing. He was wearing a Rolex. His brother received the watch, which had the crystal cracked. He replaced the crystal and gave it to his nephew (the dead man's son). The watch still worked. Do you think that'll happen with a Timex? I don't think so.
As for whether SIGs or H&Ks are worth it? Both SIGs and H&Ks I've owned worked 100% out of box, all the time. Not so with Glock and CZ. Don't get me wrong - I feel comfortable with the last two as my bedside guns. In fact, the CZ is my favorite bedside gun.
However, the price of CZ right now is a kind of "market anomaly." When the cost of labor and manufacturing in the Czech Republic catch up with the rest of Western European levels as their economy improves, CZ prices will go up too.
As someone pointed out, the price difference between, say, a SIG and a Glock (or even a CZ) is really very little over the lifetime of an owner. Now between a custom-made 1911 (say, $2,500) and a Glock ($450), that could amount to quite a bit!
Talking about market conditions, isn't it a shame that the Japanese don't build commercial guns? I mean, see what happened to the auto industry when the Japanese entered it in force? Aside from the availability of reliable and inexpensive Japanese guns, imagine what would happen to the quality and price of American and European guns if the Japanese were in the gun market, too!
Skorzeny
In the book "The Book of Honor" (about CIA deaths), there is a passage about someone who was blown up in an embassy bombing. He was wearing a Rolex. His brother received the watch, which had the crystal cracked. He replaced the crystal and gave it to his nephew (the dead man's son). The watch still worked. Do you think that'll happen with a Timex? I don't think so.
As for whether SIGs or H&Ks are worth it? Both SIGs and H&Ks I've owned worked 100% out of box, all the time. Not so with Glock and CZ. Don't get me wrong - I feel comfortable with the last two as my bedside guns. In fact, the CZ is my favorite bedside gun.
However, the price of CZ right now is a kind of "market anomaly." When the cost of labor and manufacturing in the Czech Republic catch up with the rest of Western European levels as their economy improves, CZ prices will go up too.
As someone pointed out, the price difference between, say, a SIG and a Glock (or even a CZ) is really very little over the lifetime of an owner. Now between a custom-made 1911 (say, $2,500) and a Glock ($450), that could amount to quite a bit!
Talking about market conditions, isn't it a shame that the Japanese don't build commercial guns? I mean, see what happened to the auto industry when the Japanese entered it in force? Aside from the availability of reliable and inexpensive Japanese guns, imagine what would happen to the quality and price of American and European guns if the Japanese were in the gun market, too!
Skorzeny
Brian Busch
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Skorzeny-
I have already explained that it was a Seiko Kenetic, not a timex. Sorry if you missed the correction. Regardless, I think you could lump Timex, Seiko and Casio together in the comparison.
As for taking it underwater and banging it around, I've been doing that for the last 5 years on numerous dive trips to the carribean with my Casio G-Shock ($30) and its still running. I started using it after I found out thats what the SEALs use.
I have already explained that it was a Seiko Kenetic, not a timex. Sorry if you missed the correction. Regardless, I think you could lump Timex, Seiko and Casio together in the comparison.
As for taking it underwater and banging it around, I've been doing that for the last 5 years on numerous dive trips to the carribean with my Casio G-Shock ($30) and its still running. I started using it after I found out thats what the SEALs use.
Brian Busch
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Not really, the only change would be that the G would need new batteries every 3 years or so (or you could ditch it and buy a new one for the cost), while the Rolex still requires its 3-4 year servicing at a $400-500 cost. And the G is still FAR more accurate.
I see your point about the SEAL thing, but as an aside, these guys (my cousin and his platoon buddies) chose the G, they were not issued one (at least I don't think so anyway) and it he carries a 1911. Don't know what his friends own.
I see your point about the SEAL thing, but as an aside, these guys (my cousin and his platoon buddies) chose the G, they were not issued one (at least I don't think so anyway) and it he carries a 1911. Don't know what his friends own.
This is a very subjective question, but in my experience you get what you pay for. I own a USP 45F and paid $690.00 NIB. A good chunk of change for anything. I paid $650.00 for a pool stick. $300 for the case to carry the pool stick. If you want good things you have to pay for it. My gun so far is perfect, not one failure of any kind and hits what I point it at. My pool stick is still straight as an arrow and gives me the cue control I desire and my German handmade cue case is the envy of the pool league and protects my sticks like your sisters virginity. Could I have gotten something cheaper, yes. But would I have a failure free weapon after 2800 rounds, a straight and mint condition pool stick after 4 years and a cue case that has travel North America several time over and protected my pool sticks. I don't think so. Back to the question are HK and SIG worth the money. To me thay are. But then if you don't take care of your equipment it don't matter how much it cost.
I've read all the post again and am thinking to myself is any handgun worth the money paid for it? Speaking for H&K I say yes because my gun, USP 45F, goes bang every time. I depend on it for my life and the lives of my family, should I have to use it. Can you say the same for your gun? Your gun is basically a life insurance policy, you don't need it until that one fateful day and then it better be in effect and working. I'll pay the higher premeim and make sure it works.
Vyper005,
I go to a car site forum and a guy in there has same name as you so I thought he was you.
Mylhouse,
I hear ya and can understand that. Let's just all get along. We do all have guns in here and thank god we are not at a park for a gun picnic, lol! Do I see WW III, hehe. Peace guys.
I go to a car site forum and a guy in there has same name as you so I thought he was you.
Mylhouse,
I hear ya and can understand that. Let's just all get along. We do all have guns in here and thank god we are not at a park for a gun picnic, lol! Do I see WW III, hehe. Peace guys.