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6forsure, I think maybe you need to read some more laws. In many states, having one drink invalidates your permit to carry. That doesn't mean if you're caught you lose the permit, it means if you're caught you are caught carrying illegally since you already invalidated the permit. There is a difference.
Yes, after one drink I am still legal to drive, but definitely not legal to carry.
You don't have to be "legally drunk", only "under the influence".
Anyone with access to a college lab can prove that one drink of alcohol does influence the body to some degree.
If your response time, or spatial perception is proved to be affected to any extent, then in the eyes of the prosecution, you are "under the influence".
$.02, -Kframe
 
Fine K-frame. If I can legally drive, then I can legally carry. Fortunately I live in sane places. But I will not become a nutless/gutless wonder for the sake of condoning political correctness.
 
6forsure: It is not about political correctness, it's about being responsible. Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter if you're in charge of your faculties, that's irrelevant in the eyes of a jury if you were to be on trial for using your weapon, even if it was a justified shooting, it would make it a hell of a lot harder to prove your innocence when they hear that you were intoxicated.
Think about it,

Cowboy
 
A few people have said that they wouldn't want to go up against a DA or jury even after a good shoot if they had any alcohol in their system. Assuming it is actually a good shoot, meaning that you needed and used the gun to protect your or someone else's life, are you really saying that you would rather have faced the situation unarmed and be dead?

Isn't it better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6? (And yes, I understand that one can avoid the concern by simply abstaining.)
 
How is it irresponsible to not be legally drunk and be in posession of a firearm? Politically correctness definitely rules in the gun world.

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I agree. No drinking while armed.

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I didn't realize that getting drunk leads to gunplay. It truly is ashame that an individual has so little self control that they are fearsome of themselves. When I did drink(about 3yrs ago) I was always armed, and I never managed to shoot anyone. Even completely sloshed I still knew not to play with my pistol. If you're worried about being around firearms when you drink, maybe you should stay away from them all together.

Be Safe
Mike
 
First, I do not go out drinking alcohol, When I am out the strongest thing I drink is unsweetened iced tea. When I drink at home, if I am going to have more than two beers, two glasses of wine or two shots of spirits, I neither drive nor carry my pistol.

I am a big guy (+300) and I have a very high tolerance to alcohol, but I am not willing to put myself in a position (either driving or packing) where some teen-aged cop with an attitude can smell the drink on my breath and decide he is going to be a tight ass. Nor am I willing to render myself stupid and defenseless, so I usually don't drink at all.
 
I don't drink, so the point is moot, but I agree, guns and booze do not mix. In fact anything and booze does not mix!!!!

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Off my meds (quit smoking), armed to the teeth, and loose on an unsuspecting society!!!
 
Frontsite, I havn't been to Lonestar but it is going to depend on the amount of business they do in food verses alchohol. I put my application in this week in Weld County and it didn't have that exclusion listed but I'm sure the permit will. I am planning to adjust which eateries I frequent to help with this. I don't drink much now and I will most likely give it up entirely when my permit comes. The real lousy part is I like the Texas Roadhouse and it's probably out.
 
I don't go out very often (once or twice a year), but I find it funny that you can't carry in a bar when oftentimes you're in the most danger when you exit a bar.

If I have one beer over the period of an hour, I know my ability to drive is intact. (Know this from a breathalyzer and from paying attention to the way I react).
I wouldn't go target shooting, but I would think I was capable of defending myself.

Dick
 
Yes, you'll probably find this small (mentioned almost so casually as to be ignored) comment in the letter accompanying the permit. I live in El Paso Co. I haven't been to Texas Roadhouse, but I'd assume it's just like Lone Star. The way the statement is written is like this: "In the City of CS, handguns are forbidden in all city buildings, and facilities, and establishments whose primary purpose is to sell and dispense alcoholic beverages." Seems to me like a restaurant's primary purpose it to serve food.
 
Like someone mentioned earlier, here in Texas, if the business derives 51% of their business from alcohol sales, then you cannot carry in there. Seems that Colorado, might be the same way, but it's just not worded specifically as to what percentage, so I would think that a restaurant with a bar inside wouldn't be a problem, but perhaps a Bar or an Ice House that sells burgers, etc. would be off limits.

Cowboy
 
Cowboy, CHL in Colorado prohibits carry in a business which serves alcohol for consumption on the premises. Meaning, basically, any restaurant grander than McD's. :(

Carry in a liquor store is OK in some counties, but not in others. For example, I can carry open when going to pick up a sixer of Shiner at my usual store in Colorado Springs, but I can't carry at all at a 7-11 in Pueblo. Makes sense, eh?
 
I have to back 6forsure.

1st, let me preface, that I'd only do it "within" the law.

CT, MA, and UT, all use DUI rules for CCW.
One Beer, Okay.
.08, off ya go to the slammer.
In Mass. it is all but required. You can't leave your piece in the car. (In Az, that is what I do, they have a no carry where licensed.)

If I know/think I'm going to get sloshed, hell yes I'll leave it at home. I don't want to end up on the news. But, if I'm just going out for a beer or two after work with the guys, Yepper I'm going to carry. I carry in every joint I go. (That I can legally)

If you can't control your drinking, such that your going to be a danger, DON'T DRINK.
But, don't disarm me for wanting a wine with my dinner. I'm as worried about being robbed by a Hack driver as I am some bum on the street.

My .02, and this comes with KNOWING the laws, and having practice, not just theory.

Eric
Oh yea, and at home, I have one on me every moment. ALWAYS. With on tiny exception. When I get up in the morning, until after I shower. (15 minutes) But from that moment, I have one on me or in arms reach. I'm not going to be the fool getting assaulted in my home with my guns locked upstairs.
(Side note: I always unholster my firearm, and usually place in on the vanity, before using the toilet. My glock fell out of my holster once, and I have a cracked piece of tile on the bathroom floor. DOH!)

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Coinneach, I typed word for word what's on the paperwork...I'm trying to contact the Concealed Weapons Technician now, but since it's Friday, I might not het in touch 'till Monday. I will keep you all posted, but given El Paso Sheriff John Anderson's position on this, I'm guessing that the "Primary Purpose" phrase is dead on...the Sheriff LIKES CHL! (Pueblo is a noted liberal town, and absurd things happen there all the time.)
 
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