Do you bash Taurus? And for why?

What do you think about Taurus?

  • Like, through experience?

    Votes: 65 41.4%

  • Dislike, through experience?

    Votes: 64 40.8%

  • Like, from info from the outside?

    Votes: 3 1.9%

  • Dislike, from info from the outside?

    Votes: 11 7.0%

  • Like, from what you read on the Internet?

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Dislike, from what you read on the Internet?

    Votes: 17 10.8%
  • Total voters
    157
  • Poll closed .
Reason #1 Taurus revolver. Ordered it special through a dealer locally. When it came in it would not cycle properly. IN THE GUN SHOP. Right out of the box. Would not make it all the way around without locking up. Cleaned it well, it still would not. Sent it back. Came back from taurus and would cock and fire all the way around. Unfortunately now it had a .022 cylinder gap and a tremendous amount of endshake. Spit lead like nobodys business. Sent it back to taurus again. This time it took almost three months of phone calls to get it back. They sent me a new gun. I traded it in on a used smith and wesson in the dealers case for my wife as a valentines day gift. That 686 has been flawless the whole time we owned it.

Reason #2 After waiting a sufficient amount of time I thought i would try taurus again. This time I bought a pt1911, stainless. Out of the box I thought I got the best deal ever on a 1911. I shot about 200 rounds, it was flawless, accurate, great trigger, really liked it. Im a reloader so I keep track of rounds through guns, especially when new. Right around 200-250 the ambi safety fell apart. The right side fell off when firing. I figured, what the heck, just buy one and put it on, no big deal, so I did. Then at about 500 rounds, the slide lock BROKE. Complete snap. I still went ahead and bought one, since I new all about taurs customer service from my previous experience. I put it up in the safe and forgot about it for awhile. About six months later I figured I would use it in an IDPA match. Halfway though it started having FTE. I put it up and grabbed my uncles back-up gun, an old Colt. When I got home I found that the extractor had broken. Again, like the slide lock, it just snapped. I bought an extractor, fitted it, and sold the gun.

After these two experiences I will not buy a single Taurus product. Nothing. I will also advocate against it to anyone that wants my opinion.

I usually dont share this online, because everytime you talk bad about Taurus the "fanboys" (I mean NO DISRESPECT to Taurus owners, just the arrogant type) come out of the woodword to tell you how you are stupid, lying, or just dont know what you are talking about because thier cheap gun is ten times better than the quality firearm you bought.
 
Ive had good luck with their revolvers. Never had any issues with them. Their millenium series has been hit or miss with the ones Ive used. Taurus did do a good job of remediating the one that didnt function properly. It now works well.
 
I do foaming at the mouth. Their firearms are grade A garbage. I've personally only experienced three, but all 3 were problematic and the trigger in their millennium something or other 9mm was downright terrible, and that's compared to factory Glock triggers. Not even including nice 1911 triggers because they are not to be used in the same sentence.
 
Skadoosh,
I have not kept a count but I would guess 10% had to go back to Taurus for some problem. A few were revolvers but mostly semis. Some of those did not have the problems resolved after one or more trips back to the factory. Recently had a 1911 sent back after it locked up with the slide closed after the last round was fired. Six weeks later Taurus offered the customer a new pistol of his choice or a refund. Their only statement was the gun was not repairable. We sell a good many Taurus firearms. These problems can plague any manufacturer but Taurus has more than their share. Pricepoint is the only thing they have going for them and I steer people to other brands whenever I can.
 
Experience:
1)Old model 66. Second gun I ever bought. It worked well for a few thousand rounds then went off kilter. CS stank, took forever but the revolver came back okay. I still have it.
2)Model 94. Awful. Rifling was shallow, accuracy stank. It fired but was poorly made. Traded it.
3)PT-22. It worked, ran like a clock. I sold it because I really didn't have a use for a bitty .22. I wish I'd kept it.
4)1st gen PT-111. Piece of crap. Horrible trigger. The extractor bounced out while firing. CS was horrendous and after a long wait couldn't seem to send me the right piece. Twice. I gave up, put the old extractor back with the new spring and pin, cemented it with Gun Tite. Then the retaining clip for the takedown pin broke and the pin fell out while at the range. CS was still awful, sent it back to me with a new clip but without fixing the problem to keep it from happening again. I traded it.
5)Model 85. Great gun. I gave it to my (now-) ex-sister-in-law. I miss that gun.

In short, they've been hit or miss for me. Customer support was ignorant, unhelpful, and downright unprofessional. At one point I lost my patience and told the representative to take the candy out his mouth so I could understand him over the teeth-clicking and slurping noises. I'd rather spend my money on something more reliable and with better customer support.
 
taurus 357 revolver

I own a taurus from miami(made in brazil). I will never buy another one, but the one I own can be trusted even though it took some work. They can't handle the wear and tear like a s&w or ruger.. I have been shooting and had stuff just fall off...literally have to use my eyes strained and find a screw and fix. I chose dislike via experience. It is nothing personal; I just don't agree with the weapon and feel some people don't realize a better quality until they try. My taurus is the only revolver I have ever owned that was extremely picky w/the ammo too. It was locking up before I found the ammo(and grainage) that worked for it. I only feel comfortable shooting heavy grain ammo out of it. the 125gr remington(very poplular ammo) locking up the cylinder. that was ridiculous to me.
 
Begs the questions from each member: what percentage of Taurus guns that are sold in your store have been returned?
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I'll chime in: almost a third in our case. Taurus represented the majority of our returns. We returned more of them in a year's time than all other brands combined. In many cases, the guns never even got to the shelf because the problems were readily apparent upon unboxing.

We dropped the entire brand a while back. This is a sampling of the problems we had in one year:

  • A PT-1911 in 9mm, on which the barrel split after ten rounds
  • A Judge on which the grip frame was so badly bent to the left, it was pulling the sideplate loose. It was impossible to open the cylinder. I'm not sure how they test-fired it at the factory.
  • A revolver that arrived with a missing cylinder retaining screw
  • A revolver that arrived with the safety lock (do not use these on Taurus guns!) engaged, but with the lock itself stripped.
  • Revolvers that arrived with obvious timing issues. Mostly 85-series guns.
  • Revolvers that arrived with cylinder gaps so tight the cylinder couldn't rotate without grating against the forcing cone
  • Revolvers that had one or more chambers bored too loose or too tight by huge and noticeable margins. Mostly the 94-series rimfires.

Taurus isn't incapable of making a good gun. When they're right, they're great guns for the money. The problem is, every one is a gamble, and if you're unlucky, turnaround with their customer service can be arduous.

It's not bashing. Bashing would be making judgement without experience. This is simply what I had to deal with.
 
I wouldn't say I a bash Taurus, I've 3 of their firearms and didn't like any of them enough to keep them.

TP-22 was about 99% reliable, the trigger wasn't as bad as it is often said to be, just didn't suit my tastes or fill in any needs that weren't already better-served by other firearms.

Also had a Model 85 UL revolver and thoroughly disliked it; easily the worst trigger I've ever experienced (and I've had 2 Nagant revolvers). Proved difficult to be accurate with particularly with any speed, it also fit my hand rather poorly.

Also had a Model 94 that suffered from the same terrible trigger and also proved a poor fit for my hand.
 
I have several Taurus guns. I have not had any issues that I feel I wasn't involved in. Only issue so far is with my PT92 I tried to move the rear sight myself. The rear sight is a polymer. I broke the rear sight. Other than that all of the Taurus guns I own have worked perfectly
 
I don't bash Taurus. I do have an opinion of Taurus based on firsthand experience. That opinion happens to be negative and I'll share it where it's relevant. Some consider that bashing.

If Taurus works for you, knock yourself out. :)
 
I won't bash them. 2 guns I have bought with no issues and the TCP 380 is my go to deep concealment gun. IMHO it is better than it's primarily competitors that I have had experience with (p3at, lcp, and bodyguard). Best ergos. Most accurate, best trigger, and slide lock
 
I don't bash, I just do not see myself buying a Taurus because of the horror stories I've heard.

I have a friend who hates Taurus solely because he feels that they, "steal designs and pass them off as their own." I think he is referring to the PT92 and the like.
 
Post#21

ljnowell

Reason #1 Taurus revolver. Ordered it special through a
dealer locally. When it came in it would not cycle properly. IN THE GUN SHOP. Right out of the box. Would not make it all the way around without locking up. Cleaned it well, it still would not. Sent it back. Came back from taurus and would cock and fire all the way around. Unfortunately now it had a .022 cylinder gap and a tremendous amount of endshake. Spit lead like nobodys business. Sent it back to taurus again. This time it took almost three months of phone calls to get it back. They sent me a new gun. I traded it in on a used smith and wesson in the dealers case for my wife as a valentines day gift. That 686 has been flawless the whole time we owned it.

Reason #2 After waiting a sufficient amount of time I thought i would try taurus again. This time I bought a pt1911, stainless. Out of the box I thought I got the best deal ever on a 1911. I shot about 200 rounds, it was flawless, accurate, great trigger, really liked it. Im a reloader so I keep track of rounds through guns, especially when new. Right around 200-250 the ambi safety fell apart. The right side fell off when firing. I figured, what the heck, just buy one and put it on, no big deal, so I did. Then at about 500 rounds, the slide lock BROKE. Complete snap. I still went ahead and bought one, since I new all about taurs customer service from my previous experience. I put it up in the safe and forgot about it for awhile. About six months later I figured I would use it in an IDPA match. Halfway though it started having FTE. I put it up and grabbed my uncles back-up gun, an old Colt. When I got home I found that the extractor had broken. Again, like the slide lock, it just snapped. I bought an extractor, fitted it, and sold the gun.

After these two experiences I will not buy a single Taurus product. Nothing. I will also advocate against it to anyone that wants my opinion.

I usually dont share this online, because everytime you talk bad about Taurus the "fanboys" (I mean NO DISRESPECT to Taurus owners, just the arrogant type) come out of the woodword to tell you how you are stupid, lying, or just dont know what you are talking about because thier cheap gun is ten times better than the quality firearm you bought.
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WOW!:eek:

Thank you for taking the time to write that! You took a half hour our of my life with great pleasure.:D

Now, I can read the other 13 responses.:confused:
 
Skadoosh said:
Begs the questions from each member: what percentage of Taurus guns that are sold in your store have been returned?
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The majority of problems I've seen with the Taurus semi-autos has been the key lock refusing to function, which is easily corrected with a minor cleaning.

We've seen several of the red cocked striker indicators of the older versions fall off. Firearm still functions fine.

I received one mod 85 revolver some years back whose charge holes were too small to accept ammo. Taurus corrected the problem promptly.

Had one auto that dropped the mag with every shot. Sent back to Taurus by the customer.

I have no idea how to calculate the percentage of returns but I'd guess it's infinitesimally small.

With thirty-three percent returns across the board I'd suspect Taurus would have long been out of business, but as we all know, they're thriving.

Maybe it's something in the air where you live Tom. :D
 
I can only base my opinion on one example. It was a pretty decent shooter and was trouble free. I'd buy another in a heartbeat if I found one I liked. Internet bashing I pay no attention to and I don't read gun rags either.
 
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Apple a Day

Experience:
1)Old model 66. Second gun I ever bought. It worked well for a few thousand rounds then went off kilter. CS stank, took forever but the revolver came back okay. I still have it.
2)Model 94. Awful. Rifling was shallow, accuracy stank. It fired but was poorly made. Traded it.
3)PT-22. It worked, ran like a clock. I sold it because I really didn't have a use for a bitty .22. I wish I'd kept it.
4)1st gen PT-111. Piece of crap. Horrible trigger. The extractor bounced out while firing. CS was horrendous and after a long wait couldn't seem to send me the right piece. Twice. I gave up, put the old extractor back with the new spring and pin, cemented it with Gun Tite. Then the retaining clip for the takedown pin broke and the pin fell out while at the range. CS was still awful, sent it back to me with a new clip but without fixing the problem to keep it from happening again. I traded it.
5)Model 85. Great gun. I gave it to my (now-) ex-sister-in-law. I miss that gun.

In short, they've been hit or miss for me. Customer support was ignorant, unhelpful, and downright unprofessional. At one point I lost my patience and told the representative to take the candy out his mouth so I could understand him over the teeth-clicking and slurping noises. I'd rather spend my money on something more reliable and with better customer support.
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I asked, so I have to read every seemingly intelligent answer.

Very well put my friend.

Thank you.
 
Working at a gun shop we see more issues with Taurus than anything else, period. Many customers who buy Taurus handguns buy them as a low volume shooter (I've had customers who had carried their handgun for a year and never fired it, only to find out it jammed constantly when they fired it the first time).

The workmanship is poor at best, quality control is non existent (barrels cut too long, guns that won't lock open with an empty magazine, extractor tension too tight, etc) and the overall reliability isn't great. Even saw one that new in box had a crooked cylinder which wouldn't close (would hang on the frame) when rotated in certain positions; there were file marks as though they'd attempted to fix the problem (and failed).

I've had Taurus owners talk about how they've shot a "ton of rounds" without issue only to find out they've fired a total of 300 rounds from a gun. Saying 300 rounds is high volume (without issues) is like calling a new car well built and believing 30,000 miles is high mileage.

Obviously not every Taurus is a lemon; not every Taurus is defective. I can say from about 3 years experience working at a gun store the number of issues related to Taurus and the number of major factory defects is much higher than any other brand I've dealt with.
 
I am not a basher. I do share my bad experience with Taurus and their customer service so that hopefully others don't make the same mistake.
 
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