Disgusted! Armchair Commando-ism and Pulblic Admissions of Guilt

What does the NFA have to do with idiots in gun shops?
Click to expand...

I think he was refrencing the comment made about "filing down the sear...". Some people, these days, will treat you like you are a serial rapist if you dare to discuss the mechanics of making a semi-auto gun into full-auto.

Contrary to popular belief, such conversation is not illegal. It may still be a stupid comment by a gun salesman because he was instructing someone how to ruin a perfectly good firearm
 
Wet suit needed.

The blustering gun store salesman from a few weeks ago comes to mind. He regaled me with a story of how when some guy threatened him, he grabbed the guy by the hair, drew his pistol, held it to against the guy’s nose, blab, blab, blab… Took me about 3 minutes to know this blowhard could escalate a poor situation into a fight and that, while I have had no tactical training, this salesman was really out to lunch. Within 5 minutes, I heard him telling the same tale to the next customer. Forget the hip waders, would need a wet suit!

I decided I would take my concealed carry class somewhere else.

I was telling a friend that I was thinking about writing a letter to the store complaining, but my friend told me that he thought the blowhard may be the store owner. Sheesh!
 
It's been over a decade now since that shop sold me a DWM Luger in .30 Luger and had it marked as a 9mm. Yes, I still :mad: So sometime igorance is damaging.
 
Once you have XX number of comments at the better business bureau, you should be required to post a sign at the door warning of high levels of bologna :eek:

I know which stores I need to be wary of, and never go into one of them without a plan. Usually it involves going in, getting a chance to put hands on a specific gun, decide if I like it, then drive down the road to the store I do like, and special order it through them for $50-100 less. I see nothing wrong with jerking the low-brow/high-price stores around :D
 
That's the problem with Jacksonville, NC, all of the stores are like that and they all have stupid prices with "less than friendly" staff.

Ex "That 10 mil Witness (a compact model), I was wondering if the owner would take $400 for it?"
"Nope."
"Well, it's marked 100 above retail..."
"So?"
"You must hate selling your products."

Or a beater USP45 marked at "$800 Firm"

Or an 80% SW 686-5 4" at $650

Every shop is like that and because the sheirff thinks every Marine here is a criminal waiting to happen it's a PITA to get a permit to purchase.

Regardless, I think I may put the purchase on hold until I get back to St. Louis (EAS, Get out of the Game!).

Regards and Semper Fi
Lucky 7
 
Last edited:
Some people, these days, will treat you like you are a serial rapist if you dare to discuss the mechanics of making a semi-auto gun into full-auto.

Contrary to popular belief, such conversation is not illegal. It may still be a stupid comment by a gun salesman because he was instructing someone how to ruin a perfectly good firearm
Click to expand...
While the conversation may be legal, I wouldn't put it past the ATF to try for conspiracy charges. It's an appallingly bad idea for an employee of a licensed dealer to be discussing that sort of thing on the premises.
 
It's an appallingly bad idea for an employee of a licensed dealer to be discussing that sort of thing on the premises.
Click to expand...

I don't necessarily dissagree with this - it's outside the scope of his buisiness anyway and plain stupid.

But, I ask, where can people, regular Joes, discuss in a theoretical sense, the mechanics of making or even converting guns that fire full auto, burst, etc.? Every forum I've ever seen strictly prohibits such discussions. Yet, we all know that there are publications written that provide specific instructions with some older firearms. The concensus seems to be, at least among the firearms communities, that we do not have freedom of speech when it comes to this "taboo" topic.
 
Somehow, the inner twelve year old comes out in adults anytime we talk guns, cars, sports or women.

Go to any gunshow and look at how many kids are oooing and aaahhhhing over what looks to be a machine gun. I did that when I was twelve. It gets really funny when it's a thirty year old asking "is that a machine gun?" when it's just a rifle with a box magazine.
 
Last edited:
we do not have freedom of speech when it comes to this "taboo" topic.

Because we know that if it were doing instead of talking that it would be illegal. There are plenty of topics to talk about that aren't hurting anyone simply because they are words but are illegal if were actions. Don't like it? Become pro active and change the law so the action becomes legal.
 
Check the phone book. You never know, you might have a licensed class III firearms dealer nearby. Ive been to a few, and believe me, they are more than happy to talk shop, though they generally try to avoid too much detail about the process.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone who has done this

ZeSpectre said:
-That you can shoot .40 S&W in a 10mm autoloader if you want a cheaper practice load
Click to expand...
I have never done it (and never will), but I believe you can fire .40 S&W in a 10mm. (The extractor often-but not always- can hold the cartridge against the breechface and firing pin well enough to achieve ignition of the primer.) With these caveats.

It will not be cheaper once you blow up your gun and pay your medical bills.

It will not be worthwhile when you consider the crud left in your chamber.

It will not likely have enough recoil force to cycle the action, resulting in a frustrating percentage of jams.

I also believe you can do it safely with the same 10mm slide, but a 40 S&W barrel/chamber, appropriate recoil spring and magazine(s) to feed the .40S&W.

Just because you CAN do a thing does not mean you SHOULD do a thing.

With a bit of luck you can run a diesel engine on gasoline, too. For a little while, anyway. But don't try to explain it to the fire department.

Remember, only believe half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for what you get from the internet. Even this post. Maybe especially this post.

Do your own independent, confirming research when ANYONE gives you new facts on the web.

Apparently, the caveat applies to gun/sporting goods stores, too.

Also remember, even the idiotic stuff might have a kernel of truth buried in there somewhere.

Lost Sheep
 
Every forum I've ever seen strictly prohibits such discussions. Yet, we all know that there are publications written that provide specific instructions with some older firearms. The concensus seems to be, at least among the firearms communities, that we do not have freedom of speech when it comes to this "taboo" topic.
Click to expand...

Is there any law against discussing how to build an IED or a pipe bomb? Or a law against converting a semi auto M92 to full auto? I don't know. I do know that most forums, gun magazines, etc. do not advocate such discussion and part of that is a legitimate concern for law suits and political fallout in the case a wack-job uses that information in a school or a church. I also figure that discretion about what conversations one has where and when is a sign of maturity and tactical knowledge. I have a right to discuss the best strategy and tactics to employ while robbing a bank but I might not want to do that while standing in line in a bank. It ain't "freedom of speech" at all.

That though don't seem to me to be the point here.

Everybody hates a posuer (or poser depending on how ya spell it). We all also dislike a fella who tries to impress the uninformed with their knowledge, which is often wrong. I dislike it even when it's good knowledge.

It's also a sign of a poorly run unprofessional operation if a number of the behind the counter folks spew b.s.

tipoc
 
Folks don't discuss the mechanics of FA or much of anything else Class 3 for the same reason they don't cover making meth, fentanyl or LSD in basic organic chemistry.

It's not illegal to talk about it but hardly advisable for as others have mentioned who knows who is listening or actually dumb enough to try something. And given the internet you rarely know if the guy either asking the question or offering the sure fire advise is a restorer at the national firearms museum or some crank in the basement with a file and drill press he just picked up at home depot.

Furthermore as with chemical synthesis those with a legitimate "need to know" have the tools and knowledge at their fingertips to know all that they want to. Most folks I find who are asking such questions I would not trust to detail strip a 1911.
 
It's not illegal to talk about it but hardly advisable for as others have mentioned who knows who is listening or actually dumb enough to try something. And given the internet you rarely know if the guy either asking the question or offering the sure fire advise is a restorer at the national firearms museum or some crank in the basement with a file and drill press he just picked up at home depot.
Click to expand...

I'm not necessarily advocating folks giving out details on how to make illegal machineguns. I'm just saddened that average folks really can't exchange ideas on the design of "regulated" firearms. Just to see what's out there on making meth, etc., I did a google search and yes, you can get all the information you want on this topic. I guess meth is already illegal and if someone goes out and mixes up a batch of meth it's not going to make it more illegal. With guns, I recognize that's not the case - we are constantly battling idiotic legislation every day. Believe me, I get it!

When it comes to firearms, or weapons in general for that matter, I doubt that there will ever be another John Browning. It's basically illegal to discuss, design, or invent firearms without all of the government red tape.
 
Well wait, it's important to know that you can legally discuss and innovate on firearms. There are whole forums on reloading and workshops and many meetings on that. Reloaders innovate all the time and from them have come most new cartridges over the decades.

Many people have worked on guns in their home workshops and along with others. There is nothing wrong with that and it's legal.

It's also legal to discuss this stuff in a forum, a gun show, a gun store and anywhere else you like.

It's important to know this so we can defend our rights to do so.

This thread isn't about those discussions but about a yahoo clerk in a gun store giving out b.s. advice to new shooters.

tipoc
 
This thread isn't about those discussions but about a yahoo clerk in a gun store giving out b.s. advice to new shooters.
Click to expand...

Believe me, I'm not defending the clerk - I think he's a yahoo too. Sorry for getting off topic, I tend to do that sometimes.
 
Idiots in gun shops

Here's a great little ploy for you: Ask the clerk if something can be done about the "interossitor" in the gun. If he gives you an answer, walk. LOLLL
 
Regarding 40S&W in a 10mm...
I once had a S&W 1006. After I got it, I was digging through a pile of old gun mags, when I found a review by Ed Sanow of the 1006. He discussed at length using 40 in the 1006, saying that it worked great, seeming even to recommend it.
So, 10mm being very hard to find, I bought a box of UMC FMJ 40S&W and tried it. It worked perfectly in my 1006, and was very accurate, as well. I also tried Federal classic JHP...same result. I probably put 500 rounds of 40S&W through that 1006 with zero issues. The cases looked normal, the pistol fed, fired and ejected, and accuracy was excellent. I did make it a habit to throughly clean the chamber after each range trip.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top