Disapproved for firearms purchase

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ds1973, I can do one better -- when I use to (past tense) live in NJ, this was the procedure ...<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> Go to the your police station during regular business hours (but not during lunch time) and fill out an application for a purchase permit -- this means that you have to take time off from work and if you live outside of your home town, factor in additional time for travel.
<LI> Make an appointment to be fingerprinted.
<LI> Go in to your local police station during regular business hours (but not during lunch time) for your fingerprint appointment -- meaning that you have to take time off from work and if you live outside of your home town, factor in additional time for travel.
<LI> Wait for the fingerprints to clear the State Police records.
<LI> Make an appointment to be fingerprinted.
<LI> Go in to your local police station during regular business hours (but not during lunch time) for your fingerprint appointment -- meaning that you have to take time off from work and if you live outside of your home town, factor in additional time for travel.
<LI> Wait for the fingerprints to clear the FBI records.
<LI> Make an appointment to be fingerprinted.
<LI> Go in to your local police station during regular business hours (but not during lunch time) for your fingerprint appointment -- meaning that you have to take time off from work and if you live outside of your home town, factor in additional time for travel.
<LI> Wait for the fingerprints to clear the State mental hospital records.
<LI> Make an appointment to be fingerprinted.
<LI> Go in to your local police station during regular business hours (but not during lunch time) for your fingerprint appointment -- meaning that you have to take time off from work and if you live outside of your home town, factor in additional time for travel. (These prints are for the local police)
<LI> Bring in two references to your local police station during regular business hours (but not during lunch time) who can vouch for your character. This implies that not only do you have to take time off from work but you have to get two friends to also take time off from work.
<LI> Wait for all of this paperwork to clear the chief's desk for signature. In order to streamline the process, if you purchased a gun within the last year, your paperwork is filled toward the bother so that others can go ahead of you -- you're not really denied, just not processed.
<LI> A purchase permit to buy one gun is issued.
<LI> Take the purchase permit to a gunshop and buy a gun with NO WAITING PERIOD.
<LI> Gun shop keeps one copy of the purchase permit; you keep a copy; state police gets a copy and local police department who issued the purchase permit gets the fourth copy.</UL>If anything breaks down along the way, you start all over again.
 
Apparently, some Gubmt beaureaus are allowed to put some sort of "tab" on your name or number which requires that beaureau to be notified before you purchase. This is normally practiced upon those with security clearances.

I live in a heavy Navy/Airforce/Army area. Recently when I was in my local gunshop, a fellow who had a fairly high-level clearance was in purchasing a firearm and got a "HOLD SALE UNTIL CONTACTED" report on his direct NICS inquiry. Turns out, his beaureau must be notified and must respond with permission. Understandably, he was quite embarassed and hacked off. The fellow at the store was apologetic and informed him him that he quite often gets these holds on servicemen and others. I guess this was the fellow's first encounter with his new security clearance "priviledge".
 
I don't know if this is related but I tried to pick up my Garand yesterday at 5:00 pm (Central = 6:00 pm Eastern) and was told the "NICS was down". Again. No disapproval but I'll have to try again today.

I wonder if any profitable business in the country has as many "system down" occurences in a year with their business computers as the NICS. Our tax dollars at work.

[This message has been edited by Cheesehead (edited July 25, 2000).]
 
Hey wirenut,
In amongst all this confusion, have you got this straightened out yet??? :confused:

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Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent

"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"
 
Both my father and I have been turned down for arms purchases, simply because of people with like names and _unlike_records.

The FBI always sorts things out, so we wind up getting our goodies, usually after a small delay. It doesn't happen all the time, just often enough to be a pain.

This makes me wonder how effective this system truly is. After all, if two people with _superb_ records get denied on the first records check, we have to wonder how many people without such clean records manage to slip by these checks and balances and acquire those items that, which by current law, they should not be able to.

It's either an oversight, or an intentional replication of a synthetic glitch in a public forum.

w00t!

[This message has been edited by Clips_Forgotten (edited July 27, 2000).]
 
You know, that high security system works both ways. I had one of those "strange clearances" and my purchase clearance takes as long as it takes for the computer to display my name and the clerk to write in the number. A friend of mine sent a copy of his top secret clearance with his concealed carry application and got his back in 2 weeks. Wish I had thought of that. Normally the process takes a minimum of 60 days here in Texas. That has got to be a record. Sorry to hear about your trouble. My concealed carry license was, according to the clerk, mailed out last Friday (the 60th day after an additional 30 day delay for re-fingerprinting) and here it is Thursday, and it still isn't here. It is like waiting for Christmas when I was a kid. It sure will make purchasing firearms easier since you don't have to go through the check if you have a concealed carry permit here in Texas. Now if it were 20 degrees cooler and property taxes weren't so high, I wouldn't have to die to be to heaven, but then again, maybe I'm as close as I will ever be. ;)
 
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