Difference between 8mm Mauser ammo
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To further muddy the waters, all sorts of Mausers went to Turkey, where they were bodged and reworked ..... I have a Gew.88/05 (I know it's not a mauser , but the Turks got hold of at least part of it at one time) made in Erfurt in 1892, with Turk markings on the bolt and some other parts ..... it has a .323. bore and is marked S, and with a gothic I ..... at some point in it's existence, the barrel was shortened to 18 1/2" the majority of the barrel shroud disappeared, a rear sight base was brazed onto the barrel, the bolt got swapped with a different one ..... I had some sights put on it ..... fun to shoot downloaded handloads through ........
Pathfinder45
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The so called, "wimpy", American loads are ballistically similar to the 32 Winchester Special. And, as we all know, that's little better than a spear anymore, since the game animals have built up their immune systems to resist such wimpy loads over the last century.
FrankenMauser
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Speak the truth, dear sir! Speak it!
Share it with the world!
Why would some of you be OK with loads that don't let the caliber reach it's real performance level? For plinking those weaker loads are great, heck for deer they are probably fine, but that is not the point though is it? All some of want is a better selection of higher performance ammo.
Mannlicker made the 8X51 Kurz, a short action 8mm using the .318 bullet. It was designed for the carbine lenght hunting rifles.
Not a real impressive round but I picked up a Mannlicker that had been bubbaed. The Cal. is listed on the action so I thought I'd restore it to the origial caliber. I think the original loading of the 157.5 gr bullet had a velocity of 2156, and the 196 gr bullet had a velocity of 2056 fps.
Loading data is gonna be hard to find. The only loading I've found was 36.5 gr. Rottweiler 5, for the 157.5 gr.
But I have to get the gun put together before I worry about that. I got the reamer and head space gages from Clymer. Just haven't put it together yet.
Not a real impressive round but I picked up a Mannlicker that had been bubbaed. The Cal. is listed on the action so I thought I'd restore it to the origial caliber. I think the original loading of the 157.5 gr bullet had a velocity of 2156, and the 196 gr bullet had a velocity of 2056 fps.
Loading data is gonna be hard to find. The only loading I've found was 36.5 gr. Rottweiler 5, for the 157.5 gr.
But I have to get the gun put together before I worry about that. I got the reamer and head space gages from Clymer. Just haven't put it together yet.
highpower3006
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Spelling Nazi alert! it is spelled "Mannlicher"
Still just a kid. Last month I turned 66 and I still have no idea how I managed to get this old. It certainly wasn't because I was trying to.....
I don't collect ammo, but I am a sucker for old or obscure cartridges if they are still in the original boxes. Last week I found some cool 8mm Mauser at a local store. I thought it was unusual in that it came from Ecuador. I always thought that most South American countries used 7mm with the notable exception of Argentina.
Still just a kid. Last month I turned 66 and I still have no idea how I managed to get this old. It certainly wasn't because I was trying to.....
I don't collect ammo, but I am a sucker for old or obscure cartridges if they are still in the original boxes. Last week I found some cool 8mm Mauser at a local store. I thought it was unusual in that it came from Ecuador. I always thought that most South American countries used 7mm with the notable exception of Argentina.
KragWy, I found one load for 150 grain bullets. It's 41 Grains of 4064
Also I have one listed for a .318" 125 grain with 30 grains of 4198. But I know of no .318 or .323 bullet in 125 grain that you could use today.
A sizer die and ram-punch can make .318s from .323s but you still have to start with bullets to size down. I know of none available anymore. Speer used to make some, but that was a long time ago.
In the end, there is always a cast bullet. You could have a bullet mold made at around 200-210 grains and shoot the rifle at full power and it will still be well within the range that cast bullets work at.
And the last thing you can do (that I can think of) is to buy a 22-26 cal bullet mold and drill it to make a slug that you could paper patch up to about .319". I have done this kind of thing in the past and I have to say, it can be a delicate operation to find a combination that works well, but with patience I have been rewarded with very good accuracy using paper patched slugs in 308, 30-06 and one in 300 H&H. So your 8X51 may be a good one to try this with. what I don't like about Paper Patch rifles is that most of the worked best with very long throats so the patched bullet is supported in the barrel before it's fired. that means it usually ruins the barrel for any future use of jacketed bullets. So going to a cast bullet option is often a full commitment for a rifle. Unlike a pistol or revolver, a cast bullet rifle is nearly always dedicated to cast only if you want it to shoot very well. You can't go back and forth after you throat one out to accept the patch or the shank of a cast bullet.
Also I have one listed for a .318" 125 grain with 30 grains of 4198. But I know of no .318 or .323 bullet in 125 grain that you could use today.
A sizer die and ram-punch can make .318s from .323s but you still have to start with bullets to size down. I know of none available anymore. Speer used to make some, but that was a long time ago.
In the end, there is always a cast bullet. You could have a bullet mold made at around 200-210 grains and shoot the rifle at full power and it will still be well within the range that cast bullets work at.
And the last thing you can do (that I can think of) is to buy a 22-26 cal bullet mold and drill it to make a slug that you could paper patch up to about .319". I have done this kind of thing in the past and I have to say, it can be a delicate operation to find a combination that works well, but with patience I have been rewarded with very good accuracy using paper patched slugs in 308, 30-06 and one in 300 H&H. So your 8X51 may be a good one to try this with. what I don't like about Paper Patch rifles is that most of the worked best with very long throats so the patched bullet is supported in the barrel before it's fired. that means it usually ruins the barrel for any future use of jacketed bullets. So going to a cast bullet option is often a full commitment for a rifle. Unlike a pistol or revolver, a cast bullet rifle is nearly always dedicated to cast only if you want it to shoot very well. You can't go back and forth after you throat one out to accept the patch or the shank of a cast bullet.
Pathfinder45
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To respond to this:
..... maybe because the older rifles we are shooting them in won't handle full house 8x57 JS loads without stretching the receiver? ..... and we like the gun , and we like our pink and soft selves intact and not leaking fluids?
Case head separations and pierced primers are in fact exciting .... some us have had enough of that sort of excitement at this point in our lives ..... here's hoping you get to that point without any permanent damage to yourself or others..... Cheers!
I don't want to take up reloading for it. Some people want more performance choice in available off the shelf ammunition that is semi reasonable priced. Not sure why that is so hard to understand? Seriously it's the same people over and over again arguing against choice? You like lower performance, fine plenty out there but why not let the non plinker's enjoy more? If you don't know what your rifle can handle that is on you. This is one weird forum.
You are free to run whatever you want in your gun, Zip.
I'm not sure that I understand what your complaint is .... do you want to require major domestic ammo makers to offer " more performance choice in available off the shelf ammunition that is semi reasonable priced."
.... or is it that you object that others are free to not want what you want?
Elaborate, Sir.
Wyosmith. Thanks for the info. After the last post I got to playing with quick load and found lots of options.
But I'm a huge fan of cast bullets in rifles, and as you said, there are plenty of 323 cast bullets that can easily be sized down to 319 or .320 which should work quite well.
But I'm a huge fan of cast bullets in rifles, and as you said, there are plenty of 323 cast bullets that can easily be sized down to 319 or .320 which should work quite well.
"Why would some of you be OK with loads that don't let the caliber reach it's real performance level?"
If that is what you are referring to what I meant is if you are satisfied with lower power loads fine with me but those of us wishing for more commercial higher performance ammo be available get frowned upon. Just because those lower power loads are not really all that wimpy so what? I want to shoot the loads my Yugo is capable of handling. Can't make it any plainer than that. Like I said some weird replies in this thread.
This is what I shoot right now: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/436534/prvi-partizan-ammunition-8x57mm-js-mauser-8mm-mauser-198-grain-full-metal-jacket-box-of-20
