Unclenick said:
Yeah, that's like with Hornady and case headspace. I'll guess both were probably driven by one person who uses the term that way and convincing others it is the way to go.
The interesting thing in your assumption ( to me ) is that I believe the same thing but the other way around . I'm on many firearm forums and It's pretty clear to me that the vast majority of the posters on those/these forums except the term case headspace and what it has organically and naturally grown to mean over time . As ALL words , terms and phrases are introduced over time in all languages . Not only are new words introduced , old words change there meanings or there meanings expand to mean other things . This is not a new concept . I'm no math buetition but I think this has been going on for thousands of years ????
However there are what appear to be a very small minority of guys/gals on these same forums ( not many really ) hanging on to there belief that language , terms and phases can not change or evolve ( at least not when it comes to firearms ) . I'm sure not all of them but my guess is most are older guys that won't be here much longer in the grand scheme of things and the reloading community will be able to move forward soon enough once they are no longer throwing there wrench in our evolution . I'm sure we all can agree time stands still for no one but some appear to think they can at least slow it down while they're here .
MAYBE this jennie can be put back in the bottle but I don't think it's likely .
It's not often one person or group tells the rest of the world how it's going to be and the world says OK , especially now with social media . Even if SAAMI came up with a term for the casehead to datum point measurement tomorrow . We'd all jump on are keyboards and go to town saying how wrong or right it was . This is why IMHO this debate keeps going on & on . The term case headspace did naturally grow over time and has been widely excepted . I've said it before so I'll say it again . Case headspace is different then headspace because it has case in front of it . It's the very reason it's actually not confusing .
Let me ask you this , can these to sentences have two different meanings ?
I'm going to go check my headspace
I'm going to go check my case headspace .
They are clearly saying two different things . Even if you have no idea what they mean . A reasonable person can clearly see there is something different in those two statements . That same reasonable person can then ask , seeing how they don't know what either means . What's different about those in meaning ? We then as reasonable , experienced reloaders or gunsmiths or what ever then can explain the differences . How and or why is this so confusing ?
I don't know MAYBE we could even explain the evolution of it all to help be more clear rather then staying trapped in our dogma of the past refusing to except what so many already have . I mean if you think I'm ever going to stop using the term case headspace you are mistaken . Not because I think I know better or want to be difficult . No , it's because I've seen so many in our community already understanding the term and excepting it . It's not like I made it up or anything . I think Slamfire ( a member here ) said once , he knows the term case headspace has been being used for decades now . since the 80's I believe maybe longer .
Do you all really think it's going anywhere ? seriously do you ???