mes228 said:I believe you can ship a handgun via U.S. Post Office - if you send it overnight delivery. That's all the ATF requires. All handguns must be shipped overnight and the receiver must have an FFL. That's my understanding.
If you take your slide off and ship the slide in one box and the frame in another, even if both boxes are shipped within a larger box (SWOG) you can ship it as parts with almost all carriers.
"If you take your slide off and ship the slide in one box and the frame in another, even if both boxes are shipped within a larger box (SWOG) you can ship it as parts with almost all carriers."
The receiver is considered the firearm. Get caught doing this and you could earn a trip to jail...
Lastly, there is a way around everything, legally. Look at OJ! If you take your slide off and ship the slide in one box and the frame in another, even if both boxes are shipped within a larger box (SWOG) you can ship it as parts with almost all carriers. SWOG - Ship with other goods, is a way to manifest the contents of the box, e.g. put a packing slip on it folded up saying box #1 slide assembly for Hi Point (good choice fo returns) and box #2 frame assembly.
Since when does UPS require overnighting handguns? FedEx does but it's not been that long ago I shipped several UPS three day.
Lastly, there is a way around everything, legally. Look at OJ! If you take your slide off and ship the slide in one box and the frame in another, even if both boxes are shipped within a larger box (SWOG) you can ship it as parts with almost all carriers. SWOG - Ship with other goods, is a way to manifest the contents of the box, e.g. put a packing slip on it folded up saying box #1 slide assembly for Hi Point (good choice fo returns) and box #2 frame assembly. DO NOT SHIP LIVE AMMO, this is HAZMAT and you will get caught. Our facilities have dogs, detectors, guards, etc...
USPS will not accept SWOG, this is limited to the big three DHL, UPS and FedEx. However the best method is to separately pack and ship on separate tracking #'s. I've done it, I've seen it work. Your FFL is definitely wrong, use the ATF #'s and get a contact name to shove your cell phone up his *** so he can hear it from a Fed.
Jesus, how scary is it to get so much wrong information from somebody with 20yrs experience in shipping/logistics.
I'd advise anybody reading this thread that before they waded through all this garbage trying to discern fact from fiction to read the FAQ's at the ATF site before going any further.
CraigC said:If you ship a serial numbered receiver, you ARE shipping a firearm. Do so with a handgun receiver through USPS, you've broken two federal laws. Do so with UPS or FedEx and it's one federal law and one company policy.
Live ammo is NOT HAZMAT!!!!
No Federal law broken if shipping via common carrier to a licensee, only carrier policy.
Lastly, there is a way around everything, legally. Look at OJ! If you take your slide off and ship the slide in one box and the frame in another, even if both boxes are shipped within a larger box (SWOG) you can ship it as parts with almost all carriers. SWOG - Ship with other goods, is a way to manifest the contents of the box, e.g. put a packing slip on it folded up saying box #1 slide assembly for Hi Point (good choice fo returns) and box #2 frame assembly.
A person can send a handgun via UPS or FEDEX. That person must disclose that the item is a firearm. See 18 USC 922(e). The fact that UPS and FEDEX then require air shipping is an internal policy by each company and is not federal law.
You're only required to disclose that it's a firearm for interstate shipments (I just learned that about a week ago.) But don't try this at the Post Office unless you have a FFL.
I also posted the controlling statute.As noted above by NGIB, do this with an interstate shipment and you are violating federal law.
hanno said:No Federal law broken if shipping via common carrier to a licensee, only carrier policy.
True as far as it goes regarding licensees, but Ssgt Savage was telling people that it was okay to send the handgun frame by common carrier without declaring that it was a firearm:
18 USC 922
"Sec. 922(e)
It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped;"
It is perfectly legal if shipping to a licensee. There is no legal requirement to notify the carrier, although it might jepordize any insurance claims. Federal law only requires notification when shipping to an unlicensed individual.
I assumed folks could read and comprehend the statute for themselves. That is why I posted it. Perhaps I should have responded in a way to cover ever contingency, possibility, or exception, but my response was to some very bad advice that if taken as correct could land someone in a lot of trouble.True as far as it goes regarding licensees,...
Which is exactly why I posted the relevant section of the statute in my posts above.as is stated in the US Code reference you posted above.