Did glock ever sort out their FTE issues since the Gen 4 release?

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How many Glock users do you think visit internet gun forums in general? It's a very very small percentage. I don't think you understand the number of Glocks that are in use in the world, seriously.

It is a small percentage and I can read sales figures. But to just say "99.9%" out of nowhere is just plain ludicrous.

^ Also, to LockedBreech +1.
 
"It just seems that the only place where there seems to be "problem" is on the Internet...just my experience from seeing a lot of them through the course of training, instructing, and competing."

Isn't that the truth! Great pistols that I trust with my life.
 
And you don't seem to understand that when the Glock 19 goes from the de facto standard in handgun reliability to the first question when you get one being "how does it eject?" the issues might not be fabricated.

The G19 still holds that reputation, and the vast majority of people if asked "how does it eject" wouldn't know what you are talking about....
 
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In fact, let's ask the OP....Hogwiley, where and what exactly did you hear that lead you to ask this question?

What does it matter if he heard it online? That doesn't invalidate the problem. :confused: Internet forums are just a convenient medium for communication.
 
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Wife's G23....3000 + rounds and no ejection issues...weak grip, strong grip, no issues. Handloads, full house SD factory loads, bulk type cheap practice ammunition, cast bullets through it's Lone Wolf 9mm bbl. = no issues. Just our example and YMMV. Rod
 
What does it matter if he heard it online?That doesn't invalidate the problem

It means EVERYTHING. Like I already tried to explain, "problems" tend to be over magnified on the internet. If the OP is just repeating something that he heard on the internet that was likely repeated by somebody else who read it on the internet, etc, etc, whose brother's cousin had a legitimate issue, then my point is valid. If he actually has some experience with a large sample of Glocks in the real world, and is basing his question on that, then I stand corrected. I doubt that latter, because otherwise this thread would not exist.

I'm not calling you a liar or trying to invalidate that that you are anybody else here has a problem. But the probability that the OP buys a Glock and experiences the same problem as you is extremely low.... a much much lower probability than one might think based on internet chatter.
 
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It means EVERYTHING. Like I already tried to explain, "issues" tend to be over magnified on the internet. If the OP is just repeating something that he heard on the internet that was likely repeated by somebody else who read it on the internet, whose brother's cousin heard on the internet...etc, etc, etc, then my point is valid. If he actually has some experience with a large sample of Glocks in the real world, and is basing his question on that, then I stand corrected.


How large of a sample does he need to be familiar with? 10 Glocks? 100 Glocks? 1000 Glocks? My guess is you'd find a hole with whatever he said (because frankly one man's experience isn't enough to type a brand). The Internet is how people share information now. It's no more vulnerable to hearsay than rumors you hear in the gun store itself. And again, we have people here with who have had the issue firsthand, as have many of those people over on Glock Talk and etc. Unless there's some grand conspiracy out there, and those of us here are part of it, does it matter in what manner we share that information?

Your point is it likely is a small minority of people affected because we don't know the experiences of those not online. You're right, we don't know the experiences of those not posting about it. They could be positive, they could be negative. Maybe it is only 0.1% of users, or maybe it's more. Just as I don't have any real evidence that it's more you have no real evidence to support the percentage you just assumed besides your own personal experience. Unless we somehow manage to poll a reasonable sample of Glock owners, we'll never know (and then we can argue how many is a reasonable sample, from where we collect the sample, response bias, question induced bias, the list goes on).

I don't think it's unfair to say that there is a percentage of Gen 4 owners that have had problems. Maybe it's a tiny percentage, maybe it's a small percentage, maybe it's more so than other brands. All the OP asked for was for people to sound off on their experience. Your argument is that the responses are biased. I think by now the OP has been so warned.
 
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It means EVERYTHING. Like I already tried to explain, "problems" tend to be over magnified on the internet. If the OP is just repeating something that he heard on the internet that was likely repeated by somebody else who read it on the internet, etc, etc, whose brother's cousin had a legitimate issue, then my point is valid. If he actually has some experience with a large sample of Glocks in the real world, and is basing his question on that, then I stand corrected. I doubt that latter, because otherwise this thread would not exist.



I'm not calling you a liar or trying to invalidate that that you are anybody else here has a problem. But the probability that the OP buys a Glock and experiences the same problem as you is extremely low.... a much much lower probability than one might think based on internet chatter.


I like that you're still using "problems" in quotation marks like they're not real, while at the same time saying you're not calling anyone dishonest. Which is in? Am I being untruthful or is it just hard to admit that at least some Gen 4 Glocks still have persistent ejection problems?
 
My only Glock

I bought my first and only Glock (G19) back in 08 or 09. Not only have I not had any issues, I am always impressed at the way it leaves the ejected brass in a neat little pile.

A little hyperbole above, but the ejection is amazingly consistent. Wish my other pistols made it so easy to gather the brass. Really they are pretty much all in the same spot, have never been struck by flying brass from my G19.
 
I like that you're still using "problems" in quotation marks like they're not real, while at the same time saying you're not calling anyone dishonest. Which is in? Am I being untruthful or is it just hard to admit that at least some Gen 4 Glocks still have persistent ejection problems?

It depends on what constitutes a "problem," hence the quotations (")...

It's all about statistics and probabilities, which you don't seem to have a very good grasp on, and I'm done trying to explain it.
 
It's all about statistics and probabilities, which you don't seem to have a very good grasp on, and I'm done trying to explain it.

My undergraduate degree was in Interdisciplinary Mathematics with a concentration in Statistics. One thing I do know about statisticians is we don't make up percentages.
 
It depends on what constitutes a "problem," hence the quotations (")...



It's all about statistics and probabilities, which you don't seem to have a very good grasp on, and I'm done trying to explain it.


"I'm done trying to explain it."

Ah, Internet speak for "I overstated my position and refuse to exit gracefully."

Got it, all the best.

The Glock apologists are befuddling, and I say that as a fan of the pistols who owns 2 and is looking at a third. No one pretends early Sig mags didn't split at the seam or that the Beretta safety location doesn't suck. Problems happen, and the Gen 4 9mm problems were very well documented.
 
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>The Glock apologists are befuddling, and I say that as a fan of the pistols who owns 2 and is looking at a third. No one pretends early Sig mags didn't split at the seam or that the Beretta safety location doesn't suck. Problems happen, and the Gen 4 9mm problems were very well documented.<

Exactly, and no one was claiming that the Glock stoppages were occurring with every other shot fired in problem guns - just at too high a rate for a self defense weapon, and too high a rate for a company that claims "perfection".
 
I guess they caught onto the fact that claiming "perfection" was a little grandiose on their part.

Glockaholics are among the most sensitive of the gun world. :confused:
 
For every one person that experiences a problem and posts about it all over the Internet, there are thousands of perfectly satisfied people who you never hear from. That effect often makes things seem worse than they are. That is all I'm saying, not discrediting anybody here, just pointing out the probabilities.

The problems with Glock's, which were ostensibly bundled together as Gen4 issues, were "pandemic" to the entire Glock line up, There are very likely tens of thousands of such pistols out there yet to even have been fired enough to have encountered the issues, thats because a large segment of the market will buy a gun and then shoot the thing once or twice a year, and that generally encompassing a paltry 50-100 rounds!

These problems were/are so widespread it virtually killed the Glock brand, I personally purchased four NIB Glock pistols over an 11 month stretch where every one of them spit brass directly between my eyes, two 9mm Glocks and a pair of .45 auto Glock's(21/30SF's)! You chalking up the issues to the internet, to my mind puts you squarely in that twice a year camp, the problem so widespread only an ostrich with its head poked into a hole in the ground would have missed out on it!

The last time I talked with Smyrna they were so overwhelmed by the "catastrophe" that they just asked me straight up what the hell I thought might have contributed to their ejection problems, they were serious, and so was I when I offered them the only thing I could envision, industrial espionage! ;)
 
These problems were/are so widespread it virtually killed the Glock brand

You may find historical Glock sales figures enlightening.

The last time I talked with Smyrna they were so overwhelmed by the "catastrophe" that they just asked me straight up what the hell I thought might have contributed to their ejection problems

Every time I've talked to them in the last 10 years, the only thing they were "overwhelmed" by was trying to keep up with orders. When they asked me straight up how many they should plan on selling next year I told them to double their expectations. :cool:
 
Well, now that we've moved from talking about Glocks to making snide remarks about the folks posting about Glocks . . . let's call this one quits.
 
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