Democrats introduce bill for Felons to vote

define not leading a productive life.
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If they cannot hold a job, pay taxes, pay child support if they have children, or are defendants/respondents in civil disputes, they are not productive members of society. There are probably more if more thought was given to it.

if he hasnt reformed he has not met the terms of his parole or probation so no vote for him and he is likely to end up incarcerated again so no vote.
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"Reform" is not a condition of any probation or parole order I have ever seen. "Reform" is a liberal philosophical belief not based in fact IMO. If you asked an incarcerated person what they want, I believe reform is waaay down the list of answers you would get (unless you are a member of a parole board). Getting out is at the top of the list. Anyone who is incarcerated is willing to do, act, or say ANYTHING to get out. The true test of reform is actions after release and completion of parole and probation. Additionally I would like to know if there is a federal parole program or if it is still as it used to be that a federal prisoner released has fully completed the sentence.

Maybe there should be a "felon voter" program requiring the warden to make voter registration documents available to every prisoner being released. This would complement the "motor voter" legislation.
 
Wow, thats some basis for being a productive citizen.

Do disabled war vets who dont have an job and may not pay taxes count? What about a mother with children whose husband was killed and is on public assitance?

I have been a defendant in a civil lawsuit that was settled out of court.... does that wipe out my 28 years and 9 months of military service, my 18 years of federal civil service and mean im not a productive citizen. I also dont pay taxes on my VA disability :(
 
My mother of 85, American born, raised 6 good kids, and lost her husband 10 years ago has to pay taxes on her Social Security.

And we pay for felons to have sex changes in prison.


Am I missing something?
 
The thing I don't get about the whole 'felons shouldn't be able to vote' thing is why is it so selective? We say that felons shouldn't be able to bear arms. Or vote. Or hold office. But if you are going to go to the logical conclusion of this train of thought, you can't stop there. Criminals either lose their rights, or they don't. But we are picking and choosing.

I've read this whole thread, and unless I missed something, nobody is advocating stripping felons of the right to free speech. Or freedom to peacefully assemble. Or freedom from having soldiers stationed in their homes. Or freedom of religion. Or the right to jury trial. If we can take away the right to vote, then there should be no reason we cannot take away the right to practice religion.

Fact: A convicted felon cannot serve in the military.

Therefore it cannot execute the responsibilities of citizenship.
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It? Since when did felons become objects or animals?
 
Twycross inquired:

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Fact: A convicted felon cannot serve in the military.

Therefore it cannot execute the responsibilities of citizenship.
It? Since when did felons become objects or animals? "

When they put themselves above God, law and man and took a life, or committed some other heinous crime, they made themselves objects of scorn and disgust.

Then again, we have Senator Robert Kennedy, who can vote in the US Senate, but cannot legally buy a firearm in this country, because he pled guilty to a crime for which the punishment was two years probation.

Geoff
Who has seen the utter contempt of criminals for humans.
 
Eghad inquired:

Mr Timm,

"By your qualifications only about 26% of Congress could vote on those matters then, which means that Edward Kennedy could vote and Saxbey Chambliss could not...lol"

What's your point?

"If putting serving in the military should be a qualification for citizens rights then there are a lot of folks who wouldnt have any....Uniformed service was voluntary the last time I looked and we dont practice conscription."

Exactly, though for the record, I was drafted, rejected for weight, and then I enlisted successfully.

"I am sure that there are countries you could relocate to where they practice this if it is what you desire."

Really? Where? Of course you could move to the "People's Democratic Republic of (North) Korea but I doubt that would be productive

"People elect their represenatives as they see fit."

Unfortunately the aftermath of the 2000 election proved the Democrat party was willing to negate the votes of an entire state (Florida) to get their man in office, because in Democrat controlled counties they could not cheat enough votes to win after four or five attempts.

" If they dont agree with how they vote they can replace them. As they are the "voice of the people" they are allowed to vote on any piece of legislation."

But, the prime fuction of our National Government is Defense, and if such people are unwilling to put their lives on the line for the country when the opportunity was available, they are not competent to judge what is needed.

"Also some of the notions of all Dems is seriously flawed.I am a registered Democrat, Lifetime NRA Member, Veteran, have not encouraged any riots and support the abolishment of gun control laws."

So was John F. Kennedy, US President. But the leaders of the Democrat party now are Radical left wingers looking only for power and placing themselves above God, the Law and us poor humans in the slave classes.

"you might also find it interesting that most of the returning war on terrorism veterans for Congressional office are running as Democrats and not Republicans."

Please NAME them.

Allowing felons to vote and buy firearms and carry concealed weapons is something I will never support. Being and Outlaw means you have placed yourself out side the law, above God and man. The price must be high.

Geoff
Who is exceedingly skeptical.
Who has been a registered Democrat in the past, but the Democrat party went far far away from the US of A into Communist territory.
 
Some things should be decided by the individual states. This is one of them.

In my state a felon can petition the courts to restore his ability to vote and to restore his right to own a gun.

When felons make the decision to commit the felony or multiple felonies, they know that they risk losing certain rights and abilities forever if they are prosecuted.

The democrats are seeking to remove some of the punishment and deterrent for political gain.

ez45
 
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Wow, thats some basis for being a productive citizen.

Do disabled war vets who dont have an job and may not pay taxes count? What about a mother with children whose husband was killed and is on public assitance?

I have been a defendant in a civil lawsuit that was settled out of court.... does that wipe out my 28 years and 9 months of military service, my 18 years of federal civil service and mean im not a productive citizen. I also dont pay taxes on my VA disability
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Thanks for your service.

You describe the exception not the rule. Have you ever been around real prison inmates? Unless you are in Leavenworth Military Prison (I have been as well as Leavenworth Fed. Pen., 2 very different places) or some other military brig, you will not find a very large contingent of former military. (or single mothers on welfare)

What if they are on disability and in the course of a year buy a new Cad., Rolex, 37 1/2 lbs. of gold "bling", have 5 or 6 skinny, toothless, scantly clad women hanging with them. Is he productive?

Your argument brings me back to the same conclusion, allow for restoration of rights through the petition process. Let each case be judged on its own merits.
 
I think I personally would prefer to know that a person going into the voting booth was a felon who was going in there to vote for "the person" :) rather than to know that the person going into the booth was going to pull the straight party lever,:eek: regardless of the person.:D
 
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