jefnvk you are right about that. Like I said the rank and file republicans are not much better especially the ones pushing only christianity and morals in everything instead of common sense. But the political motives of the liberals in this instance has everything to do with control as well as their overall goal is control "for the good of the people"
Democratic party may not be lost after all
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some of you would vote for a polished dog turd if the NRA told you to do so. c'mon now, do you really think that the government is going to take your right to bear arms away, now matter which party is in the white house? its not going to happen. it would be the start of civil war part 2.
i dont vote for a party, i vote for a candidate, whomever i feel is going to do the best job leading the country. thier views on guns is only a part of the things i consider before i decide who i want to vote for.
i dont vote for a party, i vote for a candidate, whomever i feel is going to do the best job leading the country. thier views on guns is only a part of the things i consider before i decide who i want to vote for.
9mm, you have obviously never heard the quote from a California Democratic Senator Feinstein along the lines of 'If I had 51 votes, turn them all in'.
There are plenty of Democrats who want them turned all in. There are probably a few Republicans too. It is hard to not be concerned with quotes like that flying around.
Not to mention the many other useless gun control that don't do anything other than criminalize lawful gun owners.
As for the polished turd, it'd probably do better upholding rights than some of our elected officials.
There are plenty of Democrats who want them turned all in. There are probably a few Republicans too. It is hard to not be concerned with quotes like that flying around.
Not to mention the many other useless gun control that don't do anything other than criminalize lawful gun owners.
As for the polished turd, it'd probably do better upholding rights than some of our elected officials.
Spotted Owl
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I don't think it will happen all at once (e.g. repeal of the 2nd Amendment) but rather in fits and spurts calculated to be gradual and spread out.
We're all frogs in a big pot of warm water. It's not so bad now, but the anti's are turning up the heat so gradually that we'll never notice the water starting to boil until it's too late.
See Britain and Australia for examples. I believe the vast majority of people would turn them in. If not, they would bury them, or hide them, effectively reaching the same end, which is no more use of them. Those that didn't, would probably be labeled as terrorists, or something of the sort.
I don't trust them, period. They have done nothing to earn my trust.
Every cockeyed gun/ammo restriction scheme since the GCA of 1968 came from the democratic party. If you are fooled by them, so be it. Moving to the center has been the norm since the McGovern debacle. They are just starting earlier.
To paraphrase a line in a very popular movie, "you are either with me or against me."
The democratic party appears to be against me.
Every cockeyed gun/ammo restriction scheme since the GCA of 1968 came from the democratic party. If you are fooled by them, so be it. Moving to the center has been the norm since the McGovern debacle. They are just starting earlier.
To paraphrase a line in a very popular movie, "you are either with me or against me."
The democratic party appears to be against me.
Marko Kloos
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Really?
The reason why you can't get a decently priced HK91, Steyr AUG, or FN FNC these days is an import ban done by executive order in 1989, signed by a Republican president, George H.W. Bush.
Not even Bubba resorted to Executive Orders to ban guns.
Why would Bubba have to resort to executive orders when he was taking his from HoLarry and being fronted in senate by Schmuck, Boxer, theKennedywimp and Feinstein?
Nothing good has come from the democratic party since JFK was assassinated. i.e. LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Bubba and a couple of punks that called him brother that wouldn't make a pimple on his posterior!
Nothing good has come from the democratic party since JFK was assassinated. i.e. LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Bubba and a couple of punks that called him brother that wouldn't make a pimple on his posterior!
Marko Kloos
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So what excuse did "pro-gun" Republican George H.W. Bush have?
Say what you want about the Democrats, but Bubba and his cohorts at least had the decency to shaft gun owners via the legislative channel. Bush 41 unilaterally banned a whole bunch of guns with the mere stroke of a pen.
Mike Irwin
Staff
"Not even Bubba resorted to Executive Orders to ban guns."
Nope, he and his HUD dept. just resorted to an end run around the Constitution by using carrot and stick (all stick, no carrot in the end) tactics with a company that proved far too willing to be his bitch.
Nope, he and his HUD dept. just resorted to an end run around the Constitution by using carrot and stick (all stick, no carrot in the end) tactics with a company that proved far too willing to be his bitch.
Marko Kloos
Inactive
No, they're not the same. The executive order business is worse. The Democrats are at least maintaining a semblance of procedure by using Congress to push gun bans. George I just picked up a pen and said, "These guns are now illegal because I said so."
It takes a rare kind of selective blindness to look at an outright gun ban by EO, and still come away thinking that the Republicans are somehow pro-gun, or better than the Democrats when it comes to whoring out to perceived public sentiment. If that EO had been signed by Clinton, virtually all the Republican fan base would still be foaming at the mouth about it.
No wonder we're in the mess that we're in. They're not your friends just because they have an R after their name on C-SPAN. When it's politically expedient, they'll sell your gun rights down the river just as fast as the guys on the other side of the aisle.
We're in the second term of a Republican presidency. We have a Republican-controlled House and a Republican-controlled Senate. The absolute only pro-gun thing that we have gotten since 2000 was a gracious lapse of the 1994 AWB, and even that lapse was not "officially" endorsed by the Republicans for fear of the soccer mom vote. Oh, and they removed all incentive for the GOP and local LE organizations to get behind national CCW reciprocity, tossing the LE community a gift by letting them carry on the badge nationwide. King's Men Only, please.
What magical constellation do the stars have to take for the Republicans to push some actual proactive pro-gun legislation?
But it's always "after the next election", which is invariably "critical for our gun rights".
Kloos,
Vote for the democratic presidential candidate in 2008 if you like. Not me, not ever. I'll take my chances with the other party. And, until a formidable third party candidate arises, I'll not help elect a democratic president by default.
Do you think the AWB would have sunset with the senate and congress under democratic control? Not likely.
What it takes to get legislators (at any level) to act is communication from their respective constituents. A member of the senate or congress, with a few thousand letters laying on the desk, acts in his/her best interests (re-election). Most gun owners leave it to someone else, whomever that might be, to do their bidding. That is the real travesty. Not me, I can write a letter or make a phone call.
Best,
JB
Vote for the democratic presidential candidate in 2008 if you like. Not me, not ever. I'll take my chances with the other party. And, until a formidable third party candidate arises, I'll not help elect a democratic president by default.
Do you think the AWB would have sunset with the senate and congress under democratic control? Not likely.
What it takes to get legislators (at any level) to act is communication from their respective constituents. A member of the senate or congress, with a few thousand letters laying on the desk, acts in his/her best interests (re-election). Most gun owners leave it to someone else, whomever that might be, to do their bidding. That is the real travesty. Not me, I can write a letter or make a phone call.
Best,
JB
Marko Kloos
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You do realize there are more options on the ballot than Statist A and Statist B?
Oh, I forgot...if I vote for a candidate who actually promises to abide by the Bill of Rights, I am "throwing my vote away".
Yes, I do. I attended Bob Le Fevere's (whom I knew personally) Freedom School at Colorado Springs over thirty-five years ago. He was an excellent instructor of libertarian political philosophy.
I am a realist. I have not had the pleasure of meeting a presidential candidate from a third party that could win the White House. When I do I will vote for him/her. I will not help elect, through default or otherwise, a democratic presidential candidate.
A vote cast is never "thrown away", never said it.
I am a realist. I have not had the pleasure of meeting a presidential candidate from a third party that could win the White House. When I do I will vote for him/her. I will not help elect, through default or otherwise, a democratic presidential candidate.
A vote cast is never "thrown away", never said it.
He did, and some are. Norinco. I could buy a $300 M14 if it wern't for him.
As for Clinton being better for the country, doubtful. Remember, the economy was slipping before he left office. At least when Bush mad a push towards military action in those countries, the job got done, opposed to Clinton ordering a few airstrikes every now and then and talking about how dangerous the enemy is.
As for voting D in the next election, I don't vote R or D. You may, I don't. I may even vote I if it looks like they are getting anywhere. I pick the guy that is going to be best. It could very well be a D over an R. Probably not, but it could be.