Super Sneaky Steve
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Switch to a revolver and cast your own using 100% pure lead.
9mm NATO spec ball
Estonia, by any chance? There's a guy from Estonia on TFL, who's mentioned limitations like that.
What country are you in?
I always chuckle at these threads. We are all gun geeks and want the best high speed low drag stuff we can get (present poster just as guilty) but at the end of the day there are millions of folks with an old Webley revolver or SAA or Taurus or .380 PPK or any number of other arms loaded up with either the cheapest ball ammo around or ammo made a century ago and they have in many cases defended themselves just fine.
My concern is purely overpenetration. I spend my time mostly in urban areas with lots of people around, and I live in an apartment building. Would I ever be in the unlikely and tragic position of having to use my weapon, I want it to have a round in it that will exhaust most of it's enegry when it hits an object, and not pass through two walls and a neighbor after that.
I have long believed that in the days before development of modern hollow point ammo, the situation you describe is why the .380 or 9mm Kurz was so popular for so long in Europe. The common 9mm military caliber would overpenetrate but in a military engagement that was not really a disadvantage. For civilian use in an urban setting the .380 fmj would get adequate penetration but if it did overpenetrate much of its energy was spent, certainly in comparison to the more powerful 9mm parabellum. Of course, most of those .380s probably had barrels in the 3.2 to 3.6 inch range rather than today’s common 2.75 inch pocket pistols. Maybe something like a Beretta 84 with .380 fmj is what you might look at. Or, a Makarov if any are around and can be legally purchased.My concern is purely overpenetration. I spend my time mostly in urban areas with lots of people around, and I live in an apartment building. Would I ever be in the unlikely and tragic position of having to use my weapon, I want it to have a round in it that will exhaust most of it's enegry when it hits an object, and not pass through two walls and a neighbor after that.